When would you first notice it?

By Kate. February 19th, 2010

When would you first notice that you weren’t growing any older? Thirty-five?  Forty?

If this happened five hundred years ago, what would your neighbors say?  What would you think about yourself?

Could you ever get over it? — Kate


  1. Erroll says:

    I think that there is a fluent pasage between “Hafeem” and “True Immortal”. So it might actually be hard to tell when you “got it”.

    Whereas a true immortal once told me “You know when you’re there”. I guess it’s not the not-aging thing alone but a composite of various insights.

    And as for the neighbours – I’d say it’s better to move somewhere else when they start to ask silly questions. Which does not only apply to neighbours but to virtually anybody – family, friends, workmates. Tough one.

  2. Erroll says:

    I might be one of them… one day. Let’s say I’m a dedicated student. It’s too early to tell. Otherwise I would not use “I think” and “I guess” so often.

  3. Kate says:


    Thanks for your very interesting thoughts! This is exactly the kind of discussion I’d like to engage in. But just now something very distressing is going on for us here (as you probably know.) Please don’t think I’m ignoring you if I postpone replying. I do mean to get back to you. — Kate

  4. Erroll says:

    Kate, have your way. There is no urgency in this discussion and yet you actually answered quite timely. All the best for all of you and many thanks for publishing your research.

  5. sirrian says:

    What true immortal do you claim you kinow

  6. Erroll says:

    Don’t ask any names. That person is as reclusive and careful as you’d suppose them to be. And what’s a name for someone who has changed theirs a thousand times.

    We didn’t meet in person but had email contact. I believe the person to be true because so many things they said are congruent with what is being said here and at other places.

    The dialog provided me with some important insights.

    One thing I learned is that everyone, you and me, is basically a true immortal. We just don’t know that and make choices that deny us our true nature.

    If you’re interested, listen to Sonia Barrett on YouTube. I believe she has understood quite a few things. Not sure if she’s fully accomplished it though.

  7. Iamsolucky says:

    This might be a bit too late… in posting… but to live like an immortal, i supposed one has to be rich to be able to move around constantly and to blend in with the rest of ave mortals? i think this is a tough call. I bet they lie about it to make it sound reasonable and acceptable for a mere mortal to accept you too. But how much more lying to keep up with before facts are befuddled causing others to think “oh well, he’s either a fugitive, terrorist… or he’s hiding something.. ” true inccorruptible immortals are not conformers!!! i’ve tried myself in their shoes, boy it’s kinda hard to keep up with colour ful stories… and also to worry about the”FUTURE” how am i gonna get around without people questioning and being treacherous/jealous about this? — i hope an immortal can really answer this one. Ox does not count :-P

  8. TrulyImmortal says:

    Invest money, buy land, wait a hundred years, bingo all the $$ you want. Your other questions you’re thinking too much now. Think back: Before this last flash century no passports or ID numbers, no photographs, move a few countries over and invisible. Now being squeezed.

  9. Erroll says:

    @ iamsolucky

    From what I learned, you see things quite correctly. They have to blend and yet you have to live like an island. I too figure that this is a tough one, especially since you cannot really build any lasting relationships.

    Even if you did, they would virtually invariably be taken away from you due to their (belief in) mortality.

    And then, there is the curiosity of people, of media and politics – which actually may be on the rise thanks to websites like this one as more and more people awaken to the possibility.

    On the other hand, an increasing acceptance in society (and there are many who work on that) towards the idea of physical immortality might, amongst other developments, herald a new time to come on earth, albeit that’ll probably be a number of years in the future.

    For now, I believe the typical immortal is reclusive, suspicious, inevitably egoistic (although not necessarily happy with that). And more, often even sly, combative and not really trustworthy. I once heard the phrase “There is no bad or good, only survival”.

    This is how it is probably now; things may or may not change in the future. We will see.

    • Laurent says:

      Dear Erroll,

      Your whole appreciation of the immortal is based on the fact that his immortality is not due to a state of mind
      Maybe the reason is he reached a level of consciousness enabling him to control his own lifeforce ?
      Who knows?

  10. Oxadrenals says:

    “Iamsolucky,” I’m impressed. Sincerely. You got a lot of that right (all except the parts you didn’t get right, but the right parts outweigh the left parts 3:1).

    The only part I don’t get is that mortals will live forever if they stop believing in death. I seriously believed in getting older and it was not getting older that took me by surprise (a right hook under the chin. Next time, I’ll be on my guard.)

  11. Erroll says:

    @ oxadrenals

    If you are true, then you’re the first exception I have come across. The belief pattern is, amongst other things, a common denominator in immortals.

    What do you think it is? A blessing from above? A rare accidental DNA configuration that won’t let you age?

    And for the record, since I haven’t read this site from the beginning: When were you born?

  12. humanspybot says:

    Don’t you think it would be more respectful not to ask for his personal response when he’s already answered the question for all of us? Click on the “Oxadrenals” link under the “Authors” section on the right. He hasn’t put up so many posts you can’t read them all and besides they’re full of coded messages. (Also, funny as hell!)

  13. imsolucky says:

    I’m “studying” what its like to be immortal. An interesting Life Experiment. So to do that i “live” like an incorruptible immortal everyday of my life. There’s very few genuine info on living like one. From i learnt, it’s all about perception. We stop being an ave human being craving or depending on things or people(family or partner). Take it as a joy ride or a rough roller coaster ride. when dealing with people? i find it’s better to be discrete, laugh it off like an innocent child when they suddenly get serious with me. Tell them what they want to hear or something that is suitable for their thick brains to understand. if not, avoid them like they’re really living in another country.

    I highly doubt it at this time, people will accept immortality. My sense of people in general that immortality is immpossible, and that they would get bored. And if they find out about someone looking so young but really lived longer than they have, eventhough they’re not immortal? Jealousy and rudeness are very common reactions. Being immortal isn’t about living in “TIME” because time doesn’t exist in their terms anymore.

    Iam buying a property right now so i can yield more income when i resell…i will probably keep doing this until eventually i can quit my other job(too many people questioning age and background stuff…and now it’s the worst of all… they want to know what i’m really doing with my money–)

  14. imsolucky says:

    There’s really no choice right now but to be reclusive because of the the majority of people’s negetive reactions. so shall it be that i stand on top of the mountain, not immersing in human petty dramas. There are a few souls that are accepting i may never reveal my age and background to them but nonetheless I was so relieved. Friendships may never last long now and then but i trust i’m always at the right time and the right place to know people who can help.

  15. humanspybot says:

    Watching you guys talk its like two different languages. Erroll speaks the language of people like Janni Lloyd or Deepak Chopra all full of spiritual references, if you believe it it’s real, just need to change your attitude and stop believing in death and it won’t happen. Imsolucky lives in the grunge of the real world more, the hard stuff and the human side of things. That’s a different language. I can understand the spiritual kind of language cause i was into that for awhile but it doesn’t make sense to me any more.

  16. Erroll says:

    @ humanspybot

    I wasn’t aware I sound so “spiritual”. But well… so be it. I did read Deepak Chopra a bit and even Janni Lloyd is known to me.

    I do not sense so much of a contradiction between me and “iamsolucky”. Sure, he/she is more practically oriented but I do not deny anything they said.

    I think there is some variety amongst immortals. When you read the account of Ben Abba, there is one (actually more of a Hafeem according to this site’s definition) man who is obviously more on the gentle side, not the kind of combative folks which this site is revolving around. Still, he is quite reclusive though he would obviously even have social contacts. How exactly that works out I don’t know since I haven’t read the book yet.

    I have kind of distilled some common denominators from the credible accounts I have heard so far, including my own temporary contact with a true immortal (again, according to this site’s definition). And I believe my own focus does bring me different info than yours will bring you.

  17. Erroll says:

    @ iamsolucky

    It seems your position is quite similar to mine whereas I wouldn’t say I am quite as reclusive as you are.

    From your words I get that you “act as if” (that does not quite sound like accomplished). What, do you think, makes the difference?

  18. iamsolucky says:

    Human: It’s all flowery talk and dreamy but dealing with jaded people is another matter and getting away with it… :) I want to fly high like an eagle , Not stay put with all those turkeys on ground floor.

  19. Ethan says:

    I have a question for everyone on this thread. What is so appealing about immortality? Why would anyone want to life forever and why would those who can live forever want to continue living? I fail to see the appeal of immortality and honestly h idea of living forever terrifies me.

  20. Erroll says:

    @ Ethan

    You’re certainly not alone in doubting the appeal and the benefits of physical immortality and I believe there is no “right” or “wrong” in this question.

    Also, if you have read this blog, it does not seem as if immortals had fewer problems or concerns than mortals. For example, they appear to often not be the most socially acceptable people. On the contrary, I believe the required reclusiveness makes many of them, from an average point of view, quite egoistic and not all too trustworthy.

    But then, they might reply that today’s human society is not all that inviting either. In which a grain of truth lies.

    I guess like with any idea or vocation, it’s a matter of feeling “this is for me” and subsequently going for it.

    if you are looking for arguments PRO physical immortality, you might want to listen to and read Aubrey de Grey. Unfortunately, after a redesign of the SENS website (sens.org), the introductory philosophical statements (which contained many valid points) have either fallen away or are now buried deep in the site. Alternatively, de Grey is often interviewed and there are some YouTube videos where he has the opportunity to present his perspective.

    Side note—I am a bit sceptical of this engineering approach to the topic, but he has a bright mind and his philosophical arguments are quite convincing.

    Moreover, if you can handle a hefty dose of mysticism, you might also like Robert Coon’s “Phoenix of Immortality” (google this). There too are some good arguments.

    As for me personally, I am not sure about literally living “forever”, but I sense that the present avarage lifespan of some 80 to 90 years (if that long) is way too short. I think it’s only at the end of such a restricted lifespan that most people begin to gain certain insights – provided they have somehow managed to stay mentally fit. But a brilliant mind in an age-crippled body may be condidered less effective, especailly when there is only so much time left to (try to) give the world what one knows.

    In immortaliy, especially when envisioned on a global scale (which I place quite far in the future), there are many issues to be addressed, for example reproduction and overpopulation.

    Immortality would also greatly impact concepts like work, education, social systems, finance, ecology etc. etc.—whereas i think that a sustainable behavior would be in the best interest of anyone who is walking this earth longer than a century. So I believe (though there may be others who view this differently) that an immortal society (if there will ever be such a thing) would quickly get over the present devil-may-care attitude that has literally brought us to the brink of catastrophe.

    Coming back to your post: I can see clearly why the idea terrifies you, given that you have grown up in a mortal mindset (as I have). But everything is a matter of perspective and once your perspective is shifted enough (and fears are conquered), what was terrifying previously becomes the most enticing idea and “the way it’s meant to be”.

    Ask any skateboardist, motorcycle racer or diver what’s so exciting about their crazy stuff. If you’re far enough outside their perspective, you’ll likely not understand what they mean. Yet they mean it, they’re loving and living it.

  21. iamsolucky says:

    I respect your choice. Not many people would want to think life is forever for them because they have sticky love attached to people or certain situations or fear in general… You live for nostalgia and those who are close to you.

  22. Erroll says:

    @ Ethan

    “vTo accept that this choice exists greatly expands perspectives on many things. Above all else, this is an issue of greater liberty and freedom. An incredible number of new possibilities open up when you decide to operate as an immortal. Try to think of things you would really like to do, but feel unable to, or are hesitant to attempt, because of the limitations created by a belief in mortality.

    Adopting the immortal point of view overcomes these limitations, and energises you with a new, liberated force which allows you to do all those things that are patiently waiting to be done. Freedom from the restrictions of physical death greatly expands every horizon. It is only in the liberty of physical immortality that one can dare to begin to truly dream one’s highest dreams.”

    —Robert Coon

  23. Erroll says:

    @ iamsolucky

    “Sticky love” sounds a bit like an irritating rash. Is there a cure? Have you applied it? If you did, did it enrichen your life or is possibly something missing now?

    Or have you never been like others in the first place?

  24. Ethan says:

    Thank you for your opinions, but first and foremost, i’m terrified of living forever not because i’m attached to anything or anyone, but because a lot of people are attached to me and disappearing for my own safety would hurt them too much for me to bear. And don’t assume i grew up with a mortal mindset, you don’t know who or what i am.

  25. iamsolucky says:

    I have been there like others in the first place. But this is not real. It’s just an illusion when it comes to “losing” others. I can’t think about my life like that, all things change as we evolve. People change too.

    that is still an attachment.

  26. Erroll says:

    @ Ethan

    You are right, I do not know who you are. That you are reading this blog maybe kind of heightens the chance that you are “different”, but your concerns made me assume you aren’t.

    I did not mean to offend you; please apologize if I did. And I do absolutely understand your concerns.

  27. Erroll says:

    @ iamsolucky

    it is one controversial subject whether social bonds are an “illusion” or not. Many would disagree with you, arguing that humans are social beings. They needn’t be right of course.

    That said, you did not answer my 3rd question. Did transcending that illusion make your life generally better or just easier? That’s a difference…

  28. iamsolucky says:

    We’ve all been there, experiencing pains losing loved ones etc.
    But are some of us willing to let go? or we stay around and play ghost on earth holding on these painful emotions/unresolved memories until we see the light of all things and stop playing around.

    Ethan, no one is judging you or putting you down. You have your beliefs and i have mine as why we support living “longer or Not. We’re all here to share ideas and thoughts and embrace the idea of immortality and discuss the implications of it. Some people are not ready for it or holding on to something. Its not yet their time because they’re not living fully in this current life. I guess that’s the cause of reincarnation.

  29. Observer says:

    “but because a lot of people are attached to me and disappearing for my own safety would hurt them too much for me to bear. ”
    That is a very touching sentiment Ethan.

    If you suddenly disappeared from your loved ones lives, maybe you could leave behind some sort of message to let them know that you are well and safe but had to leave… It may not be much of a comfort to you, but at least it would offer them a little bit of consolation.

  30. ImmortalisRX says:

    I first noticed at 35, I suspected much earlier, I was poisoned the year after and have been recovering slowly ever since. What I mean by that is I am looking younger than I did the year before. The poisoning took a lot out of me. I am quite young 50 I don’t know if I’m aging extremely slow or not at all.
    When I was younger I would get carded going into ‘R” rated movie (age 30), it was quite weird.

    I is really hard on my current and ex-wives because I changed very little physically. It puts a strain on the relationship.

  31. Kate says:

    It seems that there are a lot more types of immortals than we know about! I think you should post on one of the forums at hiddenimmortals.info and talk about this.

  32. Sam says:

    Is this real??? I mean, are you guys really truly immortal? Sorry, but I think there’s something missing. I might even think that among all of you, the one named Ethan has the chance to be one.

  33. al says:

    Is it true that there are lot of immortals?

    I could not believe it until i see the one who is immortal!

    I was raised by my mother to believe that god is the only one who is Immortal.

    But ever since i never sees it..

  34. Troy says:

    I am 39 and almost every person I meet for the first time thinks I am about 25. I might just have some good genes but as I get older chronologically I don’t appear to age but more and more people are starting to remark that I look much younger than I am. I have no idea what to do. Maybe I will do nothing unless I still look the same at 50. If I have noticeably aged by then, I guess I am normal.

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