Archive for June, 2010

A major difference

Wednesday, June 30th, 2010

I do want to clarify: though I love that quotation too, I don’t seriously think anyone is guilty for causing the world’s population explosion by reducing infant mortality. *

However, no one intended to heat the earth either, and yet it is happening. And there is one major difference to keep in mind: We are setting out deliberately to extend life span. Therefore, we have a responsibility to look at the consequences.– Stephen

*FYI, infant mortality was primarily impacted by increases in food supply. Sanitation was also important. Vaccinations were a distant third, and all the other efforts of doctors and public health officials have scarcely made any impact on world population levels at all. This, though, may begin to change, as “indefinite life extension” becomes a reality.

Life expectancy is way up. But that doesn’t mean we’re living longer!

Wednesday, June 30th, 2010

Stephen asked me to look up some data relevant to our recent discussion and report it here. (He’s still on the run, and his Internet access is limited.)

He wants me to point out a common misconception about advances in life expectancy. What he said surprised me. I had the same misconception as everyone else. I thought since life expectancy has gone up, it must mean that we’re all living longer. But it turns out that it isn’t true. Even though life expectancy has gone up dramatically, people aren’t living very much longer at all nowadays than they were a century ago.

I know that sounds like a paradox. But Stephen turned out to be right. He pretty much had the numbers in his head, but I looked up some published statistics so I could report facts rather than information from his encyclopedic brain. I’m using data from the US to create this report. World data is even more dramatic, but it’s harder to pin down.

First, look at life expectancy at birth:

  • 1890:  42 expected years at birth
  • 1990: 72 expected years at birth

This is an amazing increase of 30 years of life per individual! But does in mean we’re living longer? Actually, no. Look at life expectancy at age 60.

  • 1890: 14.7 expected years at age 60
  • 1990: 18.7 expected years at age 60

This is an increase of only 3 life years per person! In other words, though fewer people made it to 60 in the past, once they did they lived basically as long as we do today.

I had no idea. — Strattera

Powerful quote!

Wednesday, June 30th, 2010

Whoah! What a powerful quote on one of the the subjects of this thread. From our reader “humanspybot:”

Forget the internal combustion engine: saving babies was the greatest act of war on the planet ever committed!!

What a brilliant and horrible way to say it! Now I suppose ending aging may be even worse. And what Stephen got out of my idea is even more staggering. Battle Royal! Holy sh-it. — Flyss

[thread continues here, with an interesting note here.]

FYI: Humanspybot is the one who figured out the meaning of the mirrored room.
Brilliant guy or gal that one is.

Battle Royal

Tuesday, June 29th, 2010

As I mentioned at the end of  my last post, there is a sense in which ending aging and death presents even a greater conflict of goods than reducing infant mortality. I am referring to what Flyss pointed out.

Flyss is of the post- postmodernist generation, for whose members a class- and power-based analysis of history is as natural as breathing. And the images that this perspective have brought to light are truly chilling.

I have always accepted that when anti-aging technology becomes available, it will be made available first for the wealthy and the powerful. That is only to be expected. But what I had not considered prior to is that these early adopters will do their best to keep the technology away from others. Worse, if they fail to prevent widespread life extension, or even if they anticipate failure, they will seek by all possible other means to save themselves and their friends and family from the dire consequences of exponential population growth. They will use everything they have: their money, their power, and their new longevity.

One might object that the powerful and the super-rich are not currently able to have their own way. But once immortality is an option, the stakes rise asymptotically upward. For when we take risks, we risk only a mortal lifespan; for an immortal, infinity is in the balance. It is plausible to suppose that there is nothing a person would not do to preserve an eternal life. (See this post for a quasi-theoretic analysis of the stake change.)

Thus, we can expect a massive amplification of eternal quest by the privilege to preserve their privilege. If they win, they will enjoy infinity. If they lose, infinity will be snatched from them. With stakes like that, it will be truly a battle royal.

However, now another thought strikes me:The current Immortals would have the same concerns and desires. They may already be at war with us.

– Stephen

[Portion of this thread continued in this post.]

The greatest good for the individual ?= the greatest harm for all

Tuesday, June 29th, 2010

In my last post, I pointed out that an apparently unambiguous good (reducing infant mortality)was the primary cause of an arguably unambiguous harm: the last century’s massive increase in world population. Much the same applies to ending aging. (Though with an additional twist as pointed out by Flyss. We’ll get to that.)

For an individual personally, as well as those that individual cares about, ending the “symptoms” of aging and greatly postponing death will almost always be received as a good. Certainly, we would have given a great deal to save Glenn’s life. But this local good is a global harm; for the world at large, the consequences of significant life extension would be dire.

More precisely: Will be dire. Because this will happen. Death and aging are surely on their way out, whether slowly or quickly.

This could be described as a sort of equation not universally applicable but of considerable validity in certain goods conflicts, in particular this one.

The greatest good for the individual (not dying) ≡ The greatest harm for all (far, far too many people)

Contrary to the impression left by the piece on NPR Flyss listened to, Aubrey de Grey is not at all naive with respect to this. I read a very interesting article by him on this very subject, and I would post a link to it if  it were not that my Internet access is too limited while I am in hiding to perform a Google search.* But, as I recall, his considerations, while extensive, do not fully extend to the issues of power and class that Flyss brings to the fore. What she has to say is powerful, important, and truly frightening.

(continued in the next post) — Stephen

*Note the constant recurrence of Google. Strattera is right: they represent an entirely new but supremely great power.

Private vs. Public Good

Tuesday, June 29th, 2010

What Flyss says is a special case of the larger principle: that the public good and the private do not always line up. (Perhaps it is more surprising that they ever do.)

For example: As an individual, it may be best to take antibiotics with every cold, as there is almost no downside and some upside (eg., the rare case where a bacterial infection is involved.) (NOTE: My biologist friends assure me that virtually all the problem with antibiotic resistance occurs in the community, not on the person of the individual. In any case, let us take that as true for the sake of argument.) For the public at large, however, broad scale use of antibiotics leads to bacterial resistance. Eventually, this harms the individual too, but in the present, taking an antibiotic is still better for that individual than not taking it.

For a much more poignant example, consider infant mortality: There can be no more charitable act than to save infant lives — or so it would seem. Actually, if one looks at the demographics, almost the entire cause of the twice doubling of world population in the last century is due to the reduction in infant mortality. That’s the cause: not lengthened mortality or reduced death from infection. It’s saving babies. This, in turn, has led to a whole range of terrible problems, including global warming.

But does this mean one shouldn’t save infants? It’s hard to believe that. On a personal level, this is an unambiguous good. But looked at from a public perspective, reducing infant mortality was an act of incredible risk-taking, as it directly led to a massive increase in population, and this in turn may lead to terrible harm.

The case of physical immortality is similar in every respect but one, and that difference only makes things worse.

As I have an opportunity to briefly access the Internet now, I will post what I have written so far. (To be continued.)  – Stephen

Show on NPR: Don’t they have any idea what this all means?

Tuesday, June 29th, 2010

Flyss here.  Strattera and I are heading home. Not sure what all we’ve learned, but maybe we’ll figure it out after a rest. BTW, I know there are a lot of questions from readers waiting to be answered. We’ll get to them soon. Glenn would want us to.

I wanted to mention one particular thing that happened while we were here, though it had nothing to do with being here, actually  It was a show on NPR about physical immortality that just played. (Aubrey de Grey came up.) Here’s what got to me: Everyone on the show seemed to (a) take it for granted that pretty soon we’re going to live practically forever, and, (b) this is a good thing.

What, are they all crazy? I mean, yes, (a) is correct:  We are all going to live practically forever. But how exactly is this a good thing? Can’t they see the consequences?

If people don’t die, earth’s population goes through the roof.  If you live forever, even a one-child policy like China has leads to crazy overpopulation. So what are we going to do, talk the whole world into not having kids? Never going to happen.  Will we just run out of resources so that everyone starves? Not going to happen either. The super rich and the super connected are going to get immortality first. And then they’re going to take control and make sure they and their family and their friends have whatever they need. Whatever it takes.

It’s a nightmare. And it’s coming. — Flyss

[This thread continues here.]

The newness

Tuesday, June 29th, 2010

One more photo set from the parade. Again, my point here is not the specific content, but hard it must be for truly ancient people to keep up.

These folks arrived half way through:

As you can see if you enlarge the photo, this is an advertisement for Genentech, the biotechnology company. This is a company that works with our DNA. How are immortals supposed to cope with ideas like this?

Here is another advertisement that company chose to “place” in the parade:

Of course, it’s funny, and it’s meant to be. But my point is this: Ancient people would have no context for this. Go a blink of an eye back in time, and not only did LGBT people have no rights, women were expected to be subservient to men; two blinks back and men without property couldn’t vote; three blinks back and slavery was legal.  If someone is three thousand years old, we’re talking about drastic changes in the last 5 – 10% of their lives. How well could you adjust if changes of that magnitude occurred in a roughly similar percentage of your life span?

So, I think we make an error if we think of immortals as some kind of all-knowing, all-seeing, all-wise forces. I would imagine they are deeply confused, frightened, and working as hard as they can to merely cope. — Strattera

Occupied building

Monday, June 28th, 2010

Thanks for the encouragement everyone. I’ll ramble on a little bit more, then.

This is the Veteran’s War Memorial as it appeared Sunday afternoon. (You have to click on it and enlarge it to see anything.)

See the people sitting on the upper balconies? Those most have once been secret meeting rooms. But now they’re a gallery for a citywide party. This heavy old building, full of secrets, recently an operational quarters for a group of ancient immortals, has now been occupied. Occupied by what? By a social phenomenon that could never have occurred at any time in the history of the world until now: a legally sanctioned and wildly innocent gathering of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people.

These contrasts vividly brought home to me just how hard it must be for immortals to adapt, to even function in the changing world that we force on them.

One more thing. Those new powers I was musing about? They were there too, and new in more ways than one.  (Continued in the next post)– Strattera

When they are gone

Monday, June 28th, 2010

I am learning so much about death.

It is not until they are gone that we see them, their

full selves illuminated against the light of their absence.

I knew him for ten years /Only now do I know him.

The paranoia was a bubbling froth of intellect / Beneath that a dark ocean of insight.

And now we move on. — Kate

Moving too fast for them

Monday, June 28th, 2010

Sorry this is posted so late. I’ve been living somewhat on adrenaline lately, seeing dangers at every turn. I may have been imagining dangers at every turn, in fact. It is difficult to say. Oxadrenals may be right, and we could be off their radar entirely. They haven’t troubled Kate, and she has continued to live right where she always has, keeping up her counseling practice.

Perhaps they are fully engaged in this “migration” we have talked about, transferring their center of activity to another location. Izumo? Santa Clara? Certainly, among the evidence you have found that of the Illuminati symbol in the mostly vacant room is the most definitive.

One wonder why they left it behind? A calling card? An insult thrown in the face of any mortals who might wish to know where they went?

After reading your historical collage I imagine them throwing up their hands at the difficulty of keeping up with us. I imagine them saying, “We thought we had it worked out with the United Nations. But already, in the blink of an eye since the UN’s founding, photographs have changed from black and white to color. There is television, the Internet, Google, cell phones, genetics, bioengineering. How can we keep up?” I imagine them pulling back, moving their whole operation to a fresh new hiding place. They must feel trapped by us, but what we mortals are doing in the world. As I said, it makes one feel proud. — Stephen

No need to be so hard on yourself

Sunday, June 27th, 2010

No need to be so hard on yourself. Actually, you did quite a good job. It’s true, none of us can reproduce what Glenn gave us. It’s also true I didn’t sufficiently appreciate what Glenn had to offer. In the void of his absence, I understand that better. Certainly he was quirky, paranoid, inclined to believe, but he had a penetration of intellect that was extraordinary.

Nonetheless, Strattera, you did not make a fool of yourself. Your historical analysis was enlightening. As  I followed along I found myself sensing the vastness of historical time, the constant re-creation of the world that we mortals have performed; and, in contrast, the long, slow,perpetuated life of an ancient immortal. I felt a sense of pride about what we short-lived people have accomplished, and understood that they struggle to keep up with us, struggle to adapt.

So far as the specific details of the San Francisco War Memorial go, I think you and Flyss have established certain important things. But I am exhausted at the moment (I am living in temporary quarters) and will continue in the morning. —  Stephen

Made a fool of myself

Sunday, June 27th, 2010

Looking back at the posts I just put up I’m embarrassed. I overreached myself. I can’t analyze a conspiracy, just look at the facts. Maybe I was trying to be Glenn. I think I was. Well, I just made a fool of myself. I apologize. — Strattera

More on the Veteran’s Memorial

Sunday, June 27th, 2010

To finish my thread on the Veteran’s Memorial. I promise that after this I will pull back from my big picture storytelling and return to old, calm, just-the-facts Strattera.

You may remember that we were first led to the memorial by photos of a mirrored room. That room was said to be in the basement of the Veterans War Memorial. We were able to confirm that, but it is now closed, locked, and unmarked. Rather than risk trying to look inside, we sought out an old friend, and obtained obtain photos of it from him. Here is one of them:

He told us that Winston Churchill, Franklin Roosevelt and Albert Einstein were among the faces pictured, and that he had no idea why they or any of the other photos were placed there. The room appears to have been locked up only about a month ago.

At the same time, statues began to disappear. This niche in the foyer used to have a statue of a man:

The room next to the one with the shrine was wide open and swept mostly clean. But lying on the ground there was this yellowing paper:

It is a little difficult to see in the photo, but the names of US states are engraved on this peculiar structure. And next to the yellowed image there was this symbol, printed on what looked like a postcard, of all things.

Secret Society of Immortals

Flyss once wrote of the “great migration of the immortals.” Have they left San Francisco too? Have they left all the states, or most of them?

Where have they gone? — Straterra

So many kinds of “immortality”

Sunday, June 27th, 2010

The one who is dead does not know. But

the living carry forward Glenn’s quest.

One of the many ways we create “immortality.”

How much this means to us / how much more true immortality will mean. — Kate

The new powers

Sunday, June 27th, 2010

In my last post and the one before, I wrote of the first half of Glenn’s quest: the secrets of the Veterans War Memorial in San Francisco. I will return to that subject soon. But first, I want to turn to Glenn’s second quest — and, more importantly, the new power it represents.

We think that Glenn was seeking healing for his diabetes, though from whom we do not know. But he invoked the name of a five star general of the life extension movement: Aubrey de Grey. Grey’s project is called Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence, abbreviated SENS. SENS employs seven tactical approaches. Among these is a plan to move mitochondrial DNA out of the mitochondria, where it is exposed to damage, into the deep protection of the cell nucleus. This kind of engineering solution at the microscopic level sounds like science fiction. But science fiction comes before science.(OK, science fiction is my other passion, after military history.) Stem cell regenerative therapy, another pillar of de Grey’s program, was the stuff of scifi magazines not long ago.  However, Flyss found the following poster up in an alley not far  from the Veteran’s Memorial:

The smaller caption reads “Delivering stem cell therapy to the clinic.”

To a clinic near you!

On one level, as Flyss points out, this indicates that Glen’s hope of physical salvation through early use of stem cell treatment was not so unrealistic as we thought. But my focus here is on the deployment of force over time. And of all the forces loose in the world, the untethered force of science is surpassed by none. It is newer than any other, explosively growing, difficult to control, and distributed globally. The masters of science are the new wizards, necromancers, sorcerors and magicians. The tentacles of Google are the fingers of science. The military will in the future and already to a large extent now fights with robots. I have a smart phone that can translate my speech — can break down the Tower of Babel. And science will inevitably find a way to make us live forever.

But perhaps I should return to what I know much better than medicine, and close with this additional image from the Veterans Memorial:

I think of them as a kind of incantation: Alamogordo (Trinity), Eniwetok, Novaya Zemlya, Semipalatinsk, Bikini Atoll. Even the most ancient of immortals must fear this power, for what could even they do if we little mortals were to unleash nuclear weapons? What ancient god can even hold a candle to that terrible light?– Strattera

Moving through time

Saturday, June 26th, 2010

Reflections on old powers and new powers, continued.

Inside the Veteran’s War Memorial in San Francisco, one of the two targets of Glenn’s investigations, there is this long corridor, like a line of fire:

Toward the end of the corridor, one comes to this locked and very heavy door:

We slipped a very thin remote camera under the door while the guide was distracted. This is what it picked up inside:

Unfortunately, we can’t read the letters on the shrine. But I believe it has some connection to this event, depicted in a photo in the main lobby:

This is the signing of the UN charter, which took place in this very building. As Flyss pointed out, it gives one the shivers to imagine that ancient powers have reached forward to plant their hand on the nearly present day.

Outside, in the building proper, there is this artist’s rendition of the same event:

Notice who has been inserted into the scene in this rendering (or was she removed from the standard version?) Eleanor Roosevelt is pictured here at a moment of handoff of power. She is bright, intelligent, and larger than life compared to the grey men around her. Does she represent the older feudal aristocracy, in the form of “old money?” Or, at least, an older kind of power than the bureaucratic one to come?

From the statue of Ashurbanipal through an ancient shrine, through old moneyed aristocracy, to the United Nations.Time moves on and powers supercede one another. But what if there are Immortal powers who move through them all?

Excuse my attempt at eloquence. I should probably avoid it and stick to facts. But Flyss is egging me on.

In the next post, we will turn to Glenn’s second quest and the still newer powers that it represents. — Strattera

[NOTE: In a comment to this post, a reader noted that a woman is in fact present in the photograph. He or she is correct, and I had missed her. But that woman is submissive in posture, and does not carry the force of Eleanor Roosevelt.]

Here in San Francisco

Saturday, June 26th, 2010

We’re here in San Francisco, following through on one of Glenn’s two investigations: the site where the UN Charter was signed, the Veterans War Memorial. As we’ve taken our photographs, I’ve been meditating on the history powers over time.

As you may know, I used to be in the military, before I was thrown out for violating certain norms. I have a certain knowledge of history, but mostly of military history. Flyss found some of my comments useful, and encouraged me to write in more depth than I usually would do. It wasn’t so hard, as I am passionate about this subject. And I feel that many people today seem to live in a world devoid of history, as if the world had just happened yesterday. The long perspective of time changes thing.

The UN is widely assumed by some to be a vehicle of the Illuminati, designed to establish a new world order. Maybe so. But the UN came out of the League of Nations, which came out of two centuries of European wars and the desire to stop nation states from slaughtering each other. Nation states came out of centuries of feudal struggle. Feudal powers come out of aristocracies that go back so far no one can trace them. So the UN is extremely new, historically speaking, right on the cusp. But I’ve been struck here how old and outdated the UN is compared to the new powers that are rising.

Still, it is newer than many. Right near the Veteran’s War Memorial (VMW) complex, there’s a statue of an ancient leader of a military civilization. Here’s the statuary base:

Ashurbanipal lived in the 7th century BCE. This warrior/scholar/king was a neo-Assyrian, meaning that even as long ago as that he led a new power. “Ancient” is relative. Yet, considering the placement of this statue, I wonder if he is one of the current leaders of the Immortal Illuminati. If this is the case, can see what Oxadrenals means when he says that the ancient immortals might tend to be hidbound in their thinking.

Returnin to the Veteran’s War Memorial. It’s built in a style that looks very old fashioned, right out of the Middle Ages. Here’s a view of part of its facade:

Secret Soceity of Immortals San Francisco

But this style is nothing like Medieval. It’s actually neo- neo- neo- neo-classic, with more neos than that, meaning it’s the most recent point of a chain of newness.  Time sure telescopes out.

This is even more true of what’s inside the VWM, such as some type of secret shrine. (Continued in the next post.) –Strattera

He was doing two things

Saturday, June 26th, 2010

So I’ve put it together what my uncle was doing before he died.  Two things.

One, he was chasing down a connection between the San Francisco Veteran’s War memorial, where the UN charter was signed, and the secret society of Immortals we call the blue&blacks. Two, someone in the San Francisco area is offering stem cell treatments for diseases like diabetes, an under-the-table, black market version of what honest scientist guys are aiming to get done in ten years or so.

Strattera and I are here in San Francisco, hiding in the crowds of the Gay Pride festival, and seeing what we can find. We’ve already found a lot. Strattera thinks in a big picture, military-history sort of way that I don’t, and she’ll be doing a lot of the posts. I’ll be the seeing eye. — Flyss

I hate death

Saturday, June 26th, 2010

Yeah, I’m back. I haven’t known what to say, except that I hate death. I really do.

It’s possible to escape their surveillance, sure. They’re not godlike. They’re not even like Google or the NSA. But you do have to work at it. The best way is to entirely get rid of your current identity and start a new one. Like witness protection, only more so.

Most of us do it every fifteen years or so. The transition is a hoot. You hop from  one subway to another, buy tickets on one plane and actually take a flight someplace different, basically be insanely effective at losing a tail, and when you’re all done, you come out as someone else far far away.– Ox

P.S. But I don’t think they’re after you. I don’t think they even know you exist. She does, of course, but I think they live on in blissful ignorance. Also, she’s on your side, kind of, and probably wouldn’t let them touch you even if they did find out.

Question for Oxadrenals

Friday, June 25th, 2010

Oxadrenals, have you returned from your sojourn in “the province of a higher power?” If so, I wonder if you can advise us. It seems that there is some possibility that we are all in danger from the immortals who use that symbol.. Personally, I’ve been in hiding for a week now. Do you know if they are in fact aware of us? If they wish to do us harm?

If so, is it possible for us to escape their surveillance? — Stephen

(P.S. I see you posted a comment just recently, so you must have returned.)

Homage to a brilliant man.

Friday, June 25th, 2010

I do want to point out that we still haven’t explained the presence of that symbol in his room.

I agree he seems to have died of natural causes.  If the symbol isn’t a calling card, perhaps he brought it with him as a  message to us.

If so, we should honor his effort, and his death in the line of action, by meditating on the message. I am posting it here as my homage to a brilliant man. Let us meditate on this symbol which encapsulates his life’s work. As  Flyss says, death is grotesque, but we can transform it by honoring those who have died in the service of something greater. In that spirit, let us salute Glenn, and vow to carry forward his work.

This is the symbol of a secret society of true immortals. They are powerful, but we do not fear them. They may fear us, but we are not their enemy. This is not a war, but a meeting. We honor their grandeur and their greatness, as Glenn would have us do.– Strattera

Secret Society of Immortals

Death is grotesque

Friday, June 25th, 2010

Death is grotesque. It’s wrong. It makes no sense on any level. It’s ridiculous. It’s evil. It’s disgusting.

How can someone not be?

Also I treated him like shit the last couple of months, and it sucks I can’t do anything about it. — Flyss

Only in the sense

Thursday, June 24th, 2010

Flyss, I don’t think they did. Except in the sense that his quest for them pushed him on. I know you didn’t want to believe it, but he had been barely holding on for the last eighteen months.

This is what death is like.

I’m sorry. — Kate

Screw that acceptance crap

Thursday, June 24th, 2010

Screw all that acceptance crap. They killed him. –Flyss

To feel, wide hearted

Thursday, June 24th, 2010

There are those who say / that without belief in after life

Life loses meaning. / But that’s not right

For when life here is all there is / life is infinitely precious.

It is the death of others /that makes us deceive ourselves

And pretend we believe in  life-after-death.

We cannot bear to feel /that the loss of a loved one is forever.

But my mentor taught me / that we can

Take unto the heart all that pain /and allow the heart to grow, not shrink

and feel wide-hearted the pain of life/ And not shut down

Not close, but open /not push away, embrace.

How great a love there is when this we face. — Kate

Only for now

Wednesday, June 23rd, 2010

Kate wrote, “Death is part of life.”

Yes, it is. But only for now. Very soon, people won’t die of diseases like diabetes. Sooner or later, people won’t have to die at all.

I have reason to believe, in fact,  that it will be much sooner than later. — Stephen

A quest unto death

Wednesday, June 23rd, 2010

I can’t explain the presence of the symbol, Flyss, but your uncle truly has passed away. You will grieve deeply, I know. But death is part of life.

Stephen wrote something to me that I want to pass on. Not that it will take away the pain, but still I think you should hear it.

“Glenn was seriously ill and getting worse, and wasn’t likely to last out the year. This would be the way he would have wanted to go: On a quest, leaving clues for the people he loved and moving fearlessly into the heart of the mysteries his life was dedicated to exploring.”

That’s exactly right. Death with dignity means dying as yourself, being yourself. And that’s how Glenn wound things up: planting messages on a USB stick for his friends to decode, traveling in the dead of night, following clues to the best of his ability, and aiming, as he had always aimed, toward his own version of the mystery that each of sees in her own way, but that equally bespells us all. — Kate

Only according to the hospital!

Wednesday, June 23rd, 2010

But that’s just according to the hospital. I don’t think it’s true. I think this is all part of a game they’re playing.- Flyss

Glenn passed away

Wednesday, June 23rd, 2010

We contacted the hospital through a cloaked phone line, and received the terrible news that at 1:33 pm Pacific Time, Glenn passed away. — Stephen

Gone into hiding

Wednesday, June 23rd, 2010

When we found Glenn in a hospital, we were tremendously relieved. Even though he was desperately ill, at least we knew where he was. Also, our fears regarding a deliberate conspiracy to lure Glenn from his home were allayed by this evidence of ordinary human illness. Flyss even joked and talked about “the conspiracy that intends to kill each one of us,” meaning human mortality.

But then she found this symbol in his room.

Secret Society of Immortals

It was printed on photo paper and clipped along with sheets of medical records to a clipboard at the end of his bed.

We left the hospital immediately and are now seeking a safe location.

Kate, stay away! — Strattera

(posted via Iphone)

On my way

Wednesday, June 23rd, 2010

I’m catching the first plane out. I should be there by mid afternoon. — Kate

In critical condition

Wednesday, June 23rd, 2010

With the help of a reader, we’ve found him. Glenn never made it to San Francisco. He’s in a hospital in ——–, unconscious and in critical condition due to complications of diabetes. More soon. — Strattera

Two temptations

Wednesday, June 23rd, 2010

To continue: It appears that Glenn may have been lured out by means of two temptations presented simultaneously

Flyss had alread suggested that someone deliberately deceived Glenn by posing as a disciple of the life extension authority Dr. Aubrey de Grey, and claiming to offer stem cell treatment for his diabetes. This in itself would have been a serious temptation for someone in Glenn’s position and state of health. Not only was he facing a real possibility of death from his perennially out-of-control condition, his blood sugar levels seem to have been sufficiently high at the moment so as to potentially cloud his judgment.

But there was a second temptation offered to him as well. It appears that he was provided with information about a previously unrecognized Illuminati focal point and possible link to Japan in the very same city where he hoped to receive life saving treatment.

For a person like Glenn, the possibility of entering further into the solution of the mystery that has entangled his mind for decades might serve as an even greater motivation than the desire to live. Whether that is or is not the case, the combination of the two possibilities could plausibly have proved a temptation too great for any person to resist.



Illuminati focal point?

Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010

To continue.
As I noted in my last post, it turns out that the mirrored room is in the basement of Herbst Theater, the place where the UN charter was signed.

Personally, I’ve never believed that the UN is part of any global Illuminati conspiracy. But it is Glenn’s beliefs that are relevant here, and, although Glenn has repudiated certain elements of traditional conspiracy analysis he nonetheless accepts a great proportion of that body of thought. It would no doubt be of interest to him that on the ground floor of the same building there’s a large mural of the UN Charter signing ceremony, and one of the people in that mural is Eleanor Roosevelt. It cannot be denied that the Roosevelts are widely considered by conspiracy theorists to have been Illuminati, or at least associated with them. Finally, it should be mentioned  that the building itself looks remarkably like a grand Masonic Lodge.

One last point: As you may recall, Glenn had been working on a theory regarding a Japanese origin for one of the secret societies of Immortals. As it happens, the peace treaty between Japan and the US, the so called “San Francisco Treaty,” was signed right there in the very same building. That’s enough to give a bit of a shiver even to a crusty old skeptic like me. What it would do to Glenn I can only imagine. He could only have seen the San Francisco War Memorial building as an Illuminati focal point.

Keep in mind that Glenn is a man who almost never leaves home. Yet, he undoubtedly did so last week. That itself says volumes about the temptation he was under. (Continued in my next post)

To repeat,



Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010


Kate, Flyss, Stephen and Strattera

Where the UN charter was signed

Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010

In response to the second set of “hall of mirrors” photos taken off Glenn’s USB stick, a reader responded, “The UN charter.” This initially seemed to make no sense at all. However, it turns out to be the key to this entire matter.

As it happens, the original UN charter was signed in San Francisco, at a building called the Veterans War Memorial. In the basement of that building there’s a cocktail lounge/bar. Remarkably, there are no photos of it on Google images or Flikr. But its existence is no secret to San Francisco residents, who know it as the bar beneath Herbst Theater. We sent photos of the mirrored room to a contact in San Francisco, and he confirmed that these are one and the same place.

To repeat: the mirrored room is in the basement of the building where the UN charter was signed, currently the San Francisco War Memorial and Performing Arts Center.

(continued in my next post) — Stephen

Getting somewhere

Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010

With the help of an initially baffling comment by a reader, we’re now getting somewhere. More soon. — Stephen

Even I can see the symbolism

Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010

I seem to be the least imaginative of all of us, but even I can’t help noticing the symbolism of “Hall of Mirrors.”

And, yes, I’m whistling in the dark. My GFs uncle has been missing for a week. He’s ill and on the road, and we’re getting nowhere finding him. –Strattera

Not their modus operandi

Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010

Would anyone in de Grey’s group offer to treat Glenn with stem cells for his type 1 diabetes?

I would be willing to bet anything that the answer is “no.”

It doesn’t fit their modus operandi. De Grey is futurist in the best sense: he thinks strategically and looks ahead. He’s said repeatedly that there’s nothing that could pose a greater problem for the goals of his organization than a premature experiment that goes awry.  For that matter, Dr. de Grey has expressed concerns about succeeding too quickly because he fears that if public isn’t first made ready for life extension the consequences could be harmful.

But could it have been an impostor pretending to have access to stem cells via Dr. de Grey? “C” says points out that Glenn should be far too smart to be tricked by an impostor, and in general I agree.

But he’s been getting desperate, and that can change everything. — Stephen

Someone offering stem cell treatment?

Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010

In a comment on my last post, “C” points out that Dr. de Grey is a proponent of stem cell treatment for life extension, and that, also, stem cells are being studied as a possible treatment for type I diabetes — the disease that Glenn’s been struggling with his whole life.

As I understand it, they’re not yet using stem cells in people,  just in rats, etc. Stephen, could someone in de Grey’s organization offered to break the law and experiment on him? — Flyss

Someone posing as a disciple?

Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010

Strattera and I have been investigating our hearts out, and you know what: Aubrey de Grey doesn’t have any disciples. He’s not that kind of guy.

He has a foundation, and it’s in California, but they don’t treat people. They don’t sell supplements, or alter your genes, or freeze your brain. They fund research into extending life in mice. In mice! Sure, they want to make people live forever, but as a goal for the future, not as a project now.

They’re not crazy. They’re not quacks. They’re not evil. They’re academic types with a vision. At the worst, they’re a little boring, but some of my best friends are a little boring. And, sure, they’re single minded, but who isn’t? These are good guys.

What I think is that someone posed as a disciple of Dr. de Grey to lure Glenn in. And when I find him, I’ll nail all his parts to a wall. — Flyss.

Reaching the “singularity” before time runs out

Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010

As I continue to research Aubrey de Grey, I am struck by the one significant difference between his quest and ours: Dr. de Grey is looking for something incremental, whereas we are in search of a single definitive step.

No doubt, his approach is the more practical. In the ordinary course of things, medicine will take progressive steps toward immortality.  Organs will be replaced by machines, or by artificially grown organs. Degenerative diseases will be slowed. The aging process in general will be analyzed and disrupted. It’s inevitable that, eventually, what de Grey calls “actuarial escape velocity” will be achieved. Whomever survives until that point will live forever.

However, many of us will not survive until that point, as we are already too ill or too old. It is for this reason that our discovery of actual, real life immortal human beings is so exciting. It seems likely that such people possess a mutation or a set of mutations that slows or stops the aging clock. If we could obtain even a small sample of his or her tissue, we could identify the altered genes, and proceed via genetic engineering to alter our own genomes to match. This would bring back the moment of permanent escape from death into the near present.

It is out of desire to pass through this “singularity” that we undertake the many risks involved in publishing this site.

I can only imagine that Glenn has similar intentions in undertaking the great risks of his current quest. — Stephen

It cuts the heart

Monday, June 21st, 2010

Six days now.

Whipsawed between believing he’s alive / and fearing he’s not.

It cuts the heart.– Kate

More photos of the hall of mirrors

Monday, June 21st, 2010

I found two other photos of that mirrored room, showing different perspectives.  Perhaps this will make it easier for someone to identify it. Again, remember that you can click on the images to enlarge them.

Notice the two reflections of the same wooden serving bar. These must be double reflections, involving a mirror outside the range of the photo, opposite the wall (and mirror) that we’re looking at.

Illuminati Meeting Room

This next one also shows the repeated mirroring effect well.

Using these two photos and the previous one, I’m trying to deduce the room’s actual shape and construction. However, I’m finding it a challenge, due to the repeating reflections.

It’s fully possible that this “hall of mirrors” may be an entirely secret space, unknown to anyone but those admitted. But if any of these photos ring a bell with anyone, please get in touch.

(It’s truly unfortunate that one can’t yet search Google images based on an image rather than a description!)  — Stephen

Looking for students of Aubrey de Grey

Monday, June 21st, 2010

We need to find students of Aubrey de Grey, the life extension expert, located in the “Sacramento” area? Strattera and I are on it.

And we definitely would accept help from readers, whether posted as comments or through private email.– Flyss

Got it!

Monday, June 21st, 2010

Got it! “Iced his lips” anagrams to “His disciple.” Putting this together with the ideas I discussed in my recent posts on Aubrey de Grey,  I think it’s safe to assume that that Glenn was on his way to one of de Grey’s disciples or students and that individual isn’t far from Sacramento.

It would still be exceedingly helpful for us if we could identify the whereabouts of the room shown in the photo on the USB stick, as it is very likely the room and the “disciple” aren’t far from each other. Please, if you know anything, get in touch! — Stephen

Two quests combined?

Monday, June 21st, 2010

Continuing on the subject of Glenn’s whereabouts, and his interest in Aubrey de Grey.

If we hypothesize that Glenn has gone in search of life extension for himself via de Grey’s methods, we still must explain why he was seen in Sacramento, since Aubrey de Grey lives in Cambridge, England. Furthermore, de Grey himself certainly does not engage in unauthorized experiments on human beings — he’s a serious, responsible researcher looking to establish life extension in mice before trying it on people!

There is also still the question of the photo of the mirrored room, in which one individual is reflected three times, and indistinct drawings can be seen on the walls. ( This link takes you straight to the full sized photo.)

Some of our readers have suggested that the drawings on the back wal represent famous Illuminati, but it is difficult to know for sure. I am attempting to enhance the photo for further information.

I am just speculating here, but perhaps Glenn is combining two quests into one: seeking his own life extension, and also following a privately held clue  he hopes might lead him into the realm of the secret societies of immortals and hafeems, which he sees as the true Illuminati. (To be continued.) — Stephen

I take back everything bad I ever said

Monday, June 21st, 2010

Stephen, I take back everything bad I ever said about you. Thank you! I believe you’re right about Glenn. I did hear him talking about Aubrey de Gray, it just didn’t register. He admired the man. I think he supported his foundation.

I fear that, like our reader Sirrian says, I sometimes didn’t treat my uncle with the respect he deserves. I will never make that mistake again! — Flyss

One anagram solved: Aubrey de Grey

Monday, June 21st, 2010

A reader figured out one of the anagrams:” The phrase “Read by eye rug” is an anagram of Aubrey de Grey, one of the world’s authorities on life extension.Now this all makes sense.

De Grey is an advocate of a set of methods that, taken together, are called “Strategies for Negligible Senescence,” or SENS. It was this last that gave away the meaning to our reader Lylllee.

(Interestingly, she is not at all sympathetic to the program, and knows about it via conflict with another person whom, apparently she once dated. It seems that she believes that focusing on physical immortality is escapist, and that supporters of the SENS project are emotionally shallow. We do not agree. )

Dr. De Grey is a complex figure. He received a PhD at Cambridge without having been enrolled in post graduate studies. Within academia, he is a controversial figure, but the quality of his work and the intensity of his intelligence have made it impossible for his ideas to be dismissed outright, as some of his opponents would desire.

According to de Grey, technologies already exist, or are on the immediate horizon, that could extend life considerably.  Such extension could achieve what he has dubbed “actuarial escape velocity,” in which those alive now are kept alive by today’s imperfect methods until more definitive future technologies appear. (This idea overlaps with, but is distinct from that of “the singularity,” in which technology and artificial intelligence are seen as the ultimate route past physical death.)

De Grey’s approach involves, among other methods, the use of stem cells for tissue regeneration, and a truly unique concept of moving mitochondrial DNA into cell nuclei. I can see why Glenn would be interested. He  has admitted to becoming desperate in recent years. It seems quite believable that he recently suffered a considerable setback in his ongoing and difficult battle with brittle diabetes, and covertly set off on a trip that would be dangerous to him in his condition. The danger would have caused his friends to try to talk him out of it, which explains the  use of encoded messages to delay our discovery long enough so we could not interfere with his attempt, and at the same time reassure us that nothing terrible had happened. (continued in the next post.) — Stephen