Religions are indeed like fashions

By Soraya. September 29th, 2010

Immortal Illuminati SymbolI Soraya, ruler of the Blue&Blacks, co-originator, with Alexandros, of the Immortal Illuminati, address Jimmy,” who complains that I do not speak to him, and takes issue with my statement of fact that religions are like fashions:

He writes: “The three biggest religions in the world all derive similarly from one source. I’m talking about Orthodox Judaism, Christianity and Islam. … This alone disproves the statement that religions change so fast. These three have been around for thousands of years.”

Consider: The Hebrew religion of 1000 B.C. was of a type called by your scholars henotheistic (many Gods, one chief God). The Hebrew religion of 500 B.C. was monotheistic, but  involved temple sacrifices to that single deity, and had taken in much of Greek Platonism. Only after those unsubtle rulers the Romans razed the second temple, what is called Judaism appeared, a religion based on books, not altars. The changes are greater than the consistencies.   To one who watches over centuries, it looks like constant change, not continuity. And I have not spoken of pre-1000 BC, in which the tribes of Judah and of Israel were not different from other tribes in Canaan, nor were they one, until David (a great man I knew well) united them and rewove a history to link their legends. (Why is Jacob also named “Israel?” Because here, of two legends were made one.) And you are wrong too in one detail: The numbers of adherents to Judaism in any form is today, as it was then, so small as to be negligible. Yet, perhaps you meant to call it a “great ” religion, if not a “big” one, and I would agree, as it’s influence has long outweighed its size.

Christianity is a very young religion, yet it too has changed more than it has stayed the same. The great Augustine (whom I knew, though not well) would not recognize as Christian at all the Protestant sects today. I do not say that religions do not continue to reiterate tropes, nor that they do not claim continuity, just that the claim is manifestly false, just as those who today who pretend to honor the wishes of “the Founding Fathers” have little knowledge and less faithfulness to that disparate group of intelligent, bickering, improvising, beneficent and self-centered wealthy educated men.

Islam borrowed from Christianity and Judaism, too, but it is so recent that I can little take it seriously. Indeed, prior to half a millennia ago,  none of these three had made a great mark upon the peoples of the world, as the numbers of people in India, China and Japan greatly exceed those of Europe, and these were Buddhist or Hindu (to use modern words that themselves assign fixedness where there is none.)

Even in Europe, these religions are only recent. In the great days of Rome and of Greece,  innumerable religions aggregated inaccurately as “pagan” dominated, and had dominated, for millennia. The early Hebrews were but some among the many whose beliefs came in altered form from the great holy city of Babylon. Holy I say, speaking of its regard, not of its merit. And yet, for most, all they know of Babylon comes from the Ezraic Bible, where the burden of a people’s exile caused them to hate what they had once admired. Surely, all others in that ancient world admired Babylon, and had done so for longer than Christianity has yet lived upon the earth. Far older still was the oracle at Delphi, and the rock where in the bible it is said the High Priest Melchizek sacrificed to God Most High: that rock (now in the Dome of the Rock) has been holy even since I was a child, as Alexandros tells me, who lived in Jericho when as a city rather than a village it was young.

But we are still speaking of the your European world, which despite its current greatness is only recently so. Those people called Harappan, who lived in Mohenjo Daro and elsewhere, and who lost their cities when the Saraswati river moved, gave their gods to the Aryans from Iran, and thus Shiva and Brahma overcame Indra and Dyaus (though Dyaus survived elsewhere as Zeus and Deus.) Or in China, where religions had no names at all, but the ideas now aggregated as “Taoist” were long established, though with marked differences, many millennia before writing began, and the great teachers who thought it forth are not known by your scholars.

Little of what I write here is controversial at all. Your own scholars say it.

Soraya

14 Comments

  1. Jimmy says:

    Well good response, you have decent historical knowledge on religions. Not much to add to this, other than you exceeded my expectations in your response, in addressing my questions. You are very intelligent, obviously. Great site…it’s kept my attention so far :)

    On that note, being “illuminati” care to explain how you have influenced these religions in any way? I’ll await your next post detailing this. Or on the other hand, if you had none, then surely you know or are aware of why they’ve come to be in their current state.

    PS – do the current families of the “illuminati” work for you? You know…the ones you hear about on youtube, etc, rockefeller, rothschild (sp?), morgan, carnegie, russel, etc,etc,etc…

  2. Flyss says:

    Something positive from Jimmy? The Illuminati must have really turned the screws on him.

    Just kidding about the Illuminati!!!

    But, hey, this is so NOT Soraya’s site! Stephen started it, and he edits the thing. But Kate, Strattera and and I are administrators too. Soraya is just a guest. We’ve had a couple of other guest posts too. Click on Guest on the right if you want to see. Also, Strattera was originally a guest. You could be a guest too if you have something to say that we find interesting.

    We’d really like someone to comment on the narratives, by the way. I know they’re harder to read than a blog, but they also have more in them! — Flyss

  3. Jimmy says:

    Dear Author (Flyss),

    I liked your response in the post “Religions are indeed like fashions” because it shows you have some, even if basic, understanding of the religions.

    I’ve read some of your narratives. I understand that comments help your ‘visibility’, but I’ll continue asking you for proof in other ways. For now, get your religious expert ‘hat’ on because I have some additional questions for the Soraya persona.

    • Janice says:

      Would I be considered to be pissing on the wrong side of the tracks if I called Jimmy dahling a dickwad? Just a hypothetical, you know, checking in on the conversation before I join it, because that’s the smooth way to go and I am oh so smooth these days. Smooth as ground habanero peppers, which you can mix it into someone’s peanut butter sandwich and go on packing the picnic. Something I’ve done.

      Yeah, he has every right to be skeptical, what with the story being a wee bit weird and not a scrap of proof on offer. But when you’re bleeding from your wounds it’s hard to find patience for the fellow who doesn’t think there’s a war. You know what I mean?

      If he wants to fuck with me, don’t moderate him, OK? Let him let me go to town. I’m fucking sick these days and I’d feel better after a good fucking fight (or a fighting fuck, but I’m not up to that just now.) — Janice

  4. Jimmy says:

    take me off moderation wouldja ;)

    [Jimmy: check your email.]

  5. Bob says:

    So you knew David? What did he look like, I imangine 5 foot 2 dark hair, beard, dark eyes? Rugged with keen intelect and very self directed.

    Next question if you knew all these great ones, why did they build the pyramids? And how long did it take. Did you meet Noah? Did you meet Zeus or Vulcan? Now the tough one, Did you meet Adolf?

    • Soraya says:

      You have asked several questions. I will respond to some of the questions you asked. But I will delay for you to read the part of the story they just posted
      The account of my brother Alexandros’ presentation is generally factual. I stand behind it.

      It was carefully this category of decision I meant to prepare you for by writing down that fable for you to read.

      • Observer says:

        Of the famed people you’ve met in the past like David, have you followed any of their bloodlines, traced some of their decendants? If you have, have you noticed similarities between decendants and their ancestors you once knew?

  6. Observer says:

    “We’d really like someone to comment on the narratives, by the way. I know they’re harder to read than a blog, but they also have more in them! — Flyss”

    Do you mean you want comments like what would be at a book club or something, where everybody who reads it give their own thoughts and opinions & the like to spark conversation? Or are you looking for more generic type comments? Perhaps, both? (No sarcasm meant or implyed)

    • Stephen says:

      Close analysis of the narrative would be useful, especially coming from a close observer such as yourself. Considering that the source is Oxadrenals, it is sure to be a mixture of truth, unconsciously biased information and deliberate trickery. Your insights would be valued.

  7. Bob says:

    You got a comment on the narrative. Just like you asked. How about a comment back?

  8. Stephen says:

    It worked just fine. It’s just that the first time anyone posts under a certain name it needs to be approved, and I’m not always online the minute you post to approve it!

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