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By October 18th, 2010
what does plague mean? Pls elaborate….
Ive awakened and can feel intent. Is this hell and your stuck here? Can you see the 4th dimension anymore? When you sleep? When you try to imagine something does it work anymore?
M – just as it says in the narrative, “plague” means that Francine infected Janice with a retrovirus that causes a temporary illness to spread the immortality genes in the same way a cold virus spreads. Except that everyone who catches THIS cold will become either a Hafeem or a True Immortal.
so it’s a given chance of fifty fifty?
Francine should answer this one. how does the virus chooses a human to become hafeem or a true incorruptible immortal? does being a true immortal start off being infected as a baby or in the womb? how does it work really. I consider all this speculation until the infected ones passes a cold to a human being! / baby
A virus doesn’t choose. It’s just that it’s not very effective at delivering one particular sequence, and without that sequence the result is a Hafeem and not a True Immortal.
The retrovirus affects all cells in the body. But it’s not inheritable, for technical reasons. So, if the virus dies out as an infectious agent, people will have to re-create it and intentionally give it to their children. Children born currently, though, will “catch” the virus from the general population.
Thanks for explaining… it makes it easier to understand how it affects the body.
how long will this side effect of having a cold lasts for?
Dr Lemon took the virus by injection… does that mean, his body/ appearances will rejuvenate itself back to a 25 year old’s body? (original hair coloured restored, voice changes etc)
i can see Alex in panic mode now… this virus will infect every one including his enemies, paedophiles, murderers, bullies… and everybody else that’s good …etc.
too bad, he is not the one of these special immortals now cos he will be on equal level with humanity, he has worked so hard to control and dumbed down…and now they will come after him once they read all about what he has done to create the horrific wars of the 20th century.
i must say, it’s only a virus that stops the aging biological clock but in NO way prevents Death from stalking us. it’s an ANTI-AGING/ IMMUNE SYSTEM BOOSTER VIRUS
Does that mean, Alex will be on a killing spree to stop people living way too long? this reminds me of the movie (I.m.mortal) i mentioned in the earlier threads. People will get to look young forever but there is a price to pay for living longer if you’re not rich)
I’ve been looking for that movie you named, and I can’t find it with that unique variation on spelling. Who is in it?
this was not the link i posted originally but it will do!
here it is:
http://www.collider.com/2010/07/12/im-mortal-amanda-seyfried-andrew-niccol-new-regency/
Given that viruses spread exponentially, and vector via airplane, pandemics are already virtually unstoppable. The only chance is rapid early quarantine of cases, as succeeded for SARS, but not for H1N1. A virus that shows no “symptoms” other than vastly slowed aging can’t be detected, and so there are no “cases.” Or, there won’t be until the whole world is infected.
One possibility for the Illuminati would be to release a reversing retrovirus. But that would present a danger to _them_.
No, I think this is irreversible. We’re all going to be living a long, long time. It’s going to cause terrible problems and wonderful opportunities.
I thought this might be the case! I have met a man who seems not to age and was very suspicious of this This is so interesting now I really want to confront him and ask him more about it. How do I get infected and live forever!!
That begs the question. Is living forever a blessing or a curse?
Rather depends on the condition one must spend it in. In the condition I’m now in, it would indeed be a curse. But, I’ve said that before. If it would do for me what it did for Janice, my wife and I would both take a dose of the virus in a heartbeat.
Merlin: I am not sure Francine even considered this implication. Apparently, she initially thought all people would become True Immortals and heal. Only afterwards did she realize that only the partial mutation was easily transmissible. This indeed presents a whole series of terrible problems!
It forces me to ask myself a terrible question – how much longer CAN I endure? If I were to not get any additional physical health, but noticed that my aging clock had slowed down to the rate Saul ages at – would I be willing to wait for Francine’s retrovirus to again become available? Considering Saul’s current description, and his longevity, becoming a Hafeem at this time in my life, I might easily expect 1500-2000 years. In this condition that I am in now, that would indeed be HELL on Earth. I endure now for my wife, because she enjoys my company and wants me to stay, and pleasing her gives me pleasure.
But, even a thousand years of being bed-ridden by every approaching severe storm; being almost unable to care for myself every time I exceed even 1 mile of walking in a whole day (cumulative effect); getting migraines that leave me huddled in a dark, quiet room for days 3-4 times a month – no, I can not confront even 1000 years like that. And all of that is part of how I have lived for the last 30 years already.
let me get this straight… the pills, janice was given by francine… (i assumed she did swallow the pills, once she got out of the hole, she lived in a few days) that completed the transition for being a true immortal?
I had tricked her. She was already a True Immortal. The pill I gave her made her infectious.
The original virus was non-infectious. Gene altering retroviruses are designed that way. But I gave her retrovirus2, an infectious version. The idea was to make it impossible for the Illuminati to stop the spread of immortality. Given that, there was no longer any value to them in harming anyone underground.
K’Rhiya:
Exactly the question The Eldest asked, though in the reverse way.
(http://www.hiddenimmortals.info/hafeem-saul/hafeem-saul2/the-eldest/)
Here is the quote:
“I ask the help of Saul. I ask that you ponder a question and advise me. I do not command. I ask.”
“Whatever you ask of me,” Saul said, “with all my heart that I would seek to do. But I cannot imagine there is any question to which I know the answer but you do not.”
“I can imagine such a question. And I say you can answer. Else why Yahanna ask? For you are a thing I am not: You are mortal.”
“I am mortal, certainly,” Saul said.
“Yes. And that is the reason I ask of you. My question touches sickness, injury, aging and inevitable death. Of these I ask: be they curse alone, or in any manner gift?”
He struggled to understand. “You’re asking whether mortality is a gift or curse? This is a terribly difficult question.”
“If not difficult, why Yahanna ask? I have asked others and I will ask yet others, some that I have known for centuries and others that I will by chance discover. Difficult to answer, and yet you have not long to contemplate. Twenty years can I allow, thirty years at most before I come to hear your wisdom. Will you help me?”
“I will do my best, Eldest,” he said.
“Yes,” she said.
She leaned against the guardrail and turned her young/old face to the water. “There are two groups,” she said. “One is strong, the other less strong. One is grave and wise, the other not at all so. Of these, to the group capricious and less strong I have given my protection.”
“As you would,” Saul said. He felt an upwelling of human affection for her. “You have always taken the side of chance.”
“Yes. And I may by chance at any moment withdraw my protection. As you know. You will try to answer?”
“With all my heart, Eldest.”
Maybe I am wrong, I speak only for myself. Mortals in the short life in which in lived can acheive great things, while immortals with their longer lives only seem to watch and enable mortals to do things they do not dare do themselves. Again I say I only speak for myself.
I think there is some merit to your observation. Mortals with short lifespans seem to feel a need to “make their mark” on history, and work like mad to make a fortune, build a better mousetrap, or whatever. Immortals, by contrast, ARE history – embodied history. Having vast financial resources, no national allegiances, it seems they rarely feel pressure to accomplish anything more than manipulating mortals.
This takes the choice out of everything doesn’t it? Not only for the Illuminati but for everyone else as well.
Welcome to the new world.
Today we have no choice but to rapidly age and die
Tomorrow we can live for millennia
Unless we choose to die
All it takes is bravery.
FYI, folks: The Immortals have fled the coop, scared egg-white and lily-livered, leaving nothing but tail feathers.
yeah what about the mortals and hafeems who perished in the cavern by gas? are they/mofos going to be found guilty for this???
C: as per Oxadrenals, the intended holocaust didn’t occur. Once the virus was out in public anyway, nothing would have been accomplished by killing the people who were living proof that it worked. That was Francine’s reason for telling them when she did; otherwise, she would have waited longer, to let Janice get further away.
But Janice is untraceably gone, thanks to Saul’s skills in such matters, and the virus is loose in the world. The Illuminati are nothing if not rational, and for that reason the holocaust was called off.
That, and the fact that The Eldest is almighty pissed … which is why they’re off and running.
one tiny and terribly scary lady against them… is this even possible?
I met her. I understand. Remember, she knows how to push over one domino to get the rest falling. In addition, as I understand it, she has influence at many levels. Not direct control, just influence. She was able to get Homeland Security to close the skies over Santa Cruz, recall?
she’s going to feed them to the crocs…
they’re still guilty. what about those who were killed from the beginning … like cowper… and some others?
The Illuminati didn’t kill Cowper. There was a riot — they were killing each other. The Illuminati stopped the riot.
Might be gone for a few days, not feeling all that well. Finding it hard to breath at the moment. Hope everyone stays safe, I’ll be back as soon as I feel up to it.
I am deeply concerned. I am riddled with guilt. I fear that history may rank me among the world’s most evil people. I would kill myself if I were allowed, but I am not allowed. I am sorry — so deeply sorry — for the terrible harm I may have caused.
Francine, you are a dear to be so concerned about the consequences to humanity over your actions. However, you’ve really done nothing other than restore the supremacy of Yahanna’s favorite deity – chance.
For some, getting the flu is a death sentence. For some, this year anyhow, getting the flu could herald the arrival of a chance at immortality. Some, indoctrinated by a lifetime of government propaganda, will voluntarily be inoculated to prevent catching it. Choices, chances, random happenstance. What you have done, so masterfully, is make Alexandros & Soraya irrelevant. They are no longer the puppeteers of history, they are cogs in the the machine.
Finally, some (like my own father) will absolutely refuse this gift, even if they get your flu. In my father’s case, his fundamentalist Christian beliefs tell him that short lifespans and ultimate death are a good thing, because his ultimate reward for living a good life is waiting for him in heaven. He wants to go there, and if he gets your flu it would result in a huge delay in his departure plans.
Francine, I think true historians of the future will record your act as on a par with Madame Marie Currie or Louis Pasteur.
this is a truly test of the survival of the fittest. Death will still occur in plane accidents, bush fires, murder, suicides, drug over doses, careless accidents, horrible diseases etc . Those who survives, is proof, their soul has chosen to over come. Why feel guilty?
My hope is that you’ve been blessed with a very unusual case of the flu. I hope you recover swiftly.
What are you guys talking about? The immortal illmuniati brought Hitler to power, the same with Stalin, and who else pol pot in Cambodia? They live for ever and believe in a twisted logic that satisfies their need to justify their great crimes. At some point the new immortals will say,”what did you do all these years, besides cower with fear, and spread fear?”
I am inquistive about the history they experienced, and consider their first hand knowlege a great resource, but we will never get to that point because you guys keep deflecting the issue with painful idiotic observations. Consider Janice, did she want to help out humanity when she gets her immortal life, no, she flies off with a new beau, and forgets about the peons.
Just like the Elder, let them eat cake, pass the wine.
Did you possibly miss the fact that she is the “typhoid Mary” of immortality? That it was exactly her personal tendency in this direction that allowed Francine to get around the Immortal Illuminati and … well .. help the peons?
Flyss – Bob is a vinyl record stuck on one groove. He won’t play any song except the one he just did. You can’t reason with him, and nothing is going to make him become capable of moving on. For him, discovery and growth stopped the minute he read Janice’s account of meeting Alexandros, and hearing the confession that they helped Hitler rise in power (which Alexandros explained was to prevent an even bigger horror – the indiscriminate use of the atomic bomb). Several of us have tried to talk to him about the greater horror, but all Bob wants is Alexandros & Soraya on trial for war crimes. He won’t even acknowledge the deterrent effect of the two times in history when an atomic bomb was used in combat, because to do so would be to grant that there is plausibility to the reasoning the Illuminati used.
Please, sir, recall yourself. If you cannot demonstrate common decency and respect for others, how can you expect to command respect and decency from others? Do you feel compelled to seek the lowest common denominator?
So, I’m assuming everyone is all fine and dandy now? Sorry I’m late to the party!
Fine, they are not, nor art any being, for having once lived, whether to continue on or to fail and fall, the the tragedy is much the same
Dion: Not only are you late to the party…You might get stuck with the bill.
The authors await contact
Stephen it is nice to see a response from you or anyone for that matter. Both sites are quiet as of late. Makes one wonder where are the players in this melodrama.
Lying in bed, on the bottom bunk (my little brother on top) crying incessantly. A grand fear of death gifted upon me when I first realized my consciousness. I was, at the time, a child — having just turned five. I remember being challenged by my father intellectually since I was a very young child. I am of the opinion that the challenging (“and then what?” mind sent — literally too infinite) is what has shaped my current mind. Unfortunetly what that cast upon me was a spell. A spell of such dread that I couldn’t sleep unless I cried for at least 30 minutes in sheer terror of the idea of death. Every idea, every action, led to death. In my childlike mind death was in-fact the great equalizer of all great minds and weak minds alike. EVERYTHING PAILS INTO COMPARISON TO THE FACT OF THE END. I could not think of a SINGLE thing ever, no matter how much I learned that could supersede death. Not even the most grandest of ideas, even the most grandest of all — the space with which we live in, can circumvent death. This terrified me and it did for years. As a way to move on I ignored the idea of death, decided I was unprepared for it and moved on. I began to garner my intelligence, attempted to facilitate the internal evolution of my own cognitive function. I applied myself to many things from video games to sports to mathamatics science and english ect. I have never not been amazing at anything I do. It is not a narcacistic view point, trust me, I HATE myself because of this. I feel horrible because i can see how inferrior i make veryone around me feel. Thus, through my childhood (Current age: 20) I have constantly subconsciously (but at the same time conciously) made my life as difficult as possible. I am EXTREMELY manipulative, not in a bad way, but for fun haha. It makes me feel horrible when i hurt other people but at the sme time i enjoy it. Though I do pref to manipulate people for what I believe to be the best path for them (I seem to have an ability to break people down, including myself, into fundamental skill sets that I can then apply in a timeline of application + learning = results. I am skipping around a lot and I am truely ignoring my grammar, I am quite the writer if i choose too but In this matter I believe that the idea is far more important than the way it is presented. I am telling you this, author because after reading for 10-15 minutes on your blog I have found a LOT of correlation between what I have though for years now and what you have blogged about up here. I have, for a long time DREAMED of the idea of immortality. Not being incapable of dying, because that is boring as hell, but the ability to determine what risks I take and have those be the only influences on whether or not I live. You may be asking why I even mentioned anything about myself, it is because, and only because if I have thought it then MANY MANY people for HUNDREDS of years have been thinking the exact same thing. I do not know if it has been achieved or not, I believe in fate in a very logical sense in that If i continue to be of this mindset and i think about how to find others of this mindset that I will eventually will. Too achieve immortallity you have to have a large sum of money. You must because to use other people SUPERBLY. You have to be able to understand and see others boundaries, believes, pasts through mere observation. Obviously the more information the better but to get a general idea would be necessary. You would want to be good at control groups, this person would be a leader, someone with an EXTREMELY strong personality. They almost, force themselves on others in very subtle ways. They will seem to have something to say about everything. Most people will find them to be narcacistic, but in reality, they are not. THEY ARE REALISTIC. This is how I would act if I were immortal. Thing is, you can’t go it alone, being human, we need people. YOU GO CRAZY IF YOU ARE ALONE. It breads sociopaths. You would attempt, as an intillegtual immortal, to connect with other intillectual immortals. You would also assume that every single one of them is just as cocious as you. to be found by the rest of the world and recognized would be to give up your life in my opinion.
In my opinion this website is just that. I feel that you are either those committed to finding these people in hopes that someone with the same mindset as you is already walking the path of immortality and if you can unlock these secrets yourself. Or, you yourselfs are the immortals seeking others through this blog. Or, you are merely authors/actors practicing your penmenship via creating a reality online detailed enough that you convince others to believe it purely for the joy of doing it. My question to the author (and I don’t expect a reply here) is what is your true purpose?
P.S. Truely ignore the grammar, I typed this up in 10 minutes and its really cold — thus my fingers aren’t doing what they are suppose to be doing. Make inferences on what I am saying. I do not feel like explaining this via typing. I have much more in my mind if you wish to speak. Please contact me when you find the time. — David.
Hi, I’d love to know more about what you’re talking in this blog. I’d appreciate it, if someone could explain it to me. I’m starting a study on DNA manipulation (I’m a biochemist), and I really enjoyed your scientific information.
Thank you for your attention,
Arcc
The “Chronicles of the Immortality Project” section contains a great deal of detail, and explains it in chronological order.
my inglesh is poor, so what is it all about?
this is a fantasy history? is for real?
i come here looking for real immortals, please contact me
jackspringheeled@gmail.com
come on…
I finally got my first flu in three years….
Is this a factual account of historic events that really, literally, took place?
Adroit,
Seuls les faits le diront.
Immortality… what a supreme waste of fake-time in the illusion. I guess I’m the only one here who sees they see it.
Death is lighter than a feather……It always has been ;-)
But to live….. well
Very interesting stuff. Reminds me of a movie I saw called The man from earth. Its also about an immortal and his attempt to help his co workers understand why he moves every 10 years, which leads into much more. I find this site just as interesting as that movie. I suppose you never really know whats possible.
Is this for real? Did anyone actually catch this flu and become immortal? I enjoyed reading this blog and narratives regardless but would love some feedback on where everyone is now.