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What most typical conspiracy nuts don’t know is that half their theories are just antisemitic propaganda. The Shadow Government and New World Order set of theories, for example, simply extend the Rosicrucian / Illuminati / Freemason / Rothschild / Rockefeller / Federal Reserve /Protocols of the Elders of Zion chain forward, so that they now include the Trilateral commission, the World Bank, the IMF, the Bilderberg Group and the supposed “fact” that the Mossad arranged 9/11. Above and beyond the antisemitism, this is mere dullard credulity.
The conspiracies I believe in, rather, simply assume that the richest and most powerful of any age will naturally do their best to manage the world to their liking. That’s just human nature. But such people would not often nor ever entirely succeed; nor, more importantly, is it plausible that subsequent generations would be more faithful to an ancient vow than to their present interest. The power-hungry are, as a rule, far too practical for that. Thus, if there is a connection between the assassination of Lincoln and the assassination of Kennedy, as I believe, it is not to be found in a secret society with code rings, initiations and special costumes, but rather in a recurrent nexus of self-interest.
Or, rather, that has always been my stance. This new discovery takes me aback. Perhaps, there truly is a longstanding historical conspiracy: Not by a an secret order that perpetuates down through the centuries by binding new members to ancient oaths, but by individual people who themselves persist.
That’s what we’re looking into, anyway – Glenn
Stephen has requested I give a brief introduction to conspiracy theories. Hah. How about a sketch of a preface to a brief introduction?
In the next several posts, I’ll attempt something like that.
NOTE: These are often called paranoid conspiracy theories. Though the phrase is intended as a slur, I’m happy to accept it. Conspiracies of the kind we are talking about here are dangerous, powerful, and most of all, directed by a fairly small group of people. There’s plenty to be paranoid about.
Consider Sumeria, around 3000 BC.
When decipherable written records first appear in Mesopotamia, a small group of hereditary aristocrats and priests control all of society. What’s more, they have already been in control since time immemorial. The same is true of the other known newly literate ancient civilizations, from Egypt to China.
In other words, literally before history began, the few successfully conspired to seize control from the many. How they did this is a lost secret. But in that mystery lies the origin of all conspiracy theories.
And of the paranoid part too: The aristocrats and priestly classes of the archaic world pretty much enslaved everyone else. Our current fears are grounded in that ancient terror.
And now, on top of everything, we have Immortals to consider. – Glenn
As I try to fulfill Stephen’s request for a “brief” summary of conspiracy theories, I realize it isn’t possible. I’m going to work on a longer document that I’ll post elsewhereon the site. In particular, I plan to focus on those theories that have always had serious holes, and where the existence of Immortals has the potential to fill those holes.
For example, the problem with every “secret society” theory has been that it’s hard to imagine rich and powerful men (and women) dressing in cowls and exchanging secret handshakes. And yet, such societies seem to have been observed — and far beyond the sophomoric world of Skull and Bones. I postulate, now, that these are Immortals who wear cowls to hide their faces, and the handshakes are recognition signals. As I note elsewhere, Immortals might also explain the coherent existance of secret societies over generations, something about which a realist analyst might logically feel skeptical.
Currently, it appears to me that the existance of Immortals fill in significant gaps in the following conspiracy concerns:
(1) The Kennedy and Lincoln Assasinations
(2) The Twin Towers
(3) The origins of WW I, and, by extension, WWII
(4) The extra powers of the Federal Reserve
(5) The persistent Illuminati tales
(6) The Bohemian Grove Cremation of Care Ceremony (explicitly combines Enlightenment ideas with Rosicrucian/Theosophical/Crowley traditions)
In addition, the actual existence of Immortals casts significant light on numerous recurring myths, such as (in particular) vampires. One might even guess that the current increased interest in vampires comes from the growing visibility of Immortals. On this last note, I would recommend Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, by Seth Grahame-Smith, a surprisingly nuanced work. It is interesting on its own merits as an exploration of the character of perhaps our greatest President. In addition, it casts light, if only allegorically, on how Immortals might influence human affairs. (However, real Immortals, unlike vampires, have neither supernatural qualities nor superhuman strength.) — Glenn
I’ve never fully understood the fascination with conspiracy theories. Sometimes it seems that people just want to believe in them. However, I suppose that (like Stephen Pinker and Richard Dawkins often say in the context of religion) the human mind is such a good pattern detector that it sees patterns even when they aren’t there. In the case of conspiracy theories, there’s also what I call “misplaced puzzle solving.” It’s as if people want to be mathematicians, but apply that natural human desire in the wrong place. Mathematics is all about solving intricate puzzles and finding subtle patterns. Conspiracy theorists use the same mental skill in a place where there are no puzzles to be solved and no patterns to be found.
Finally, on the subject of “immortals,” I want to say that we don’t have any reason to think these people we’re tracking are immortal. They just don’t age normally. I’m sure they don’t actually live all that long. Disease, accident and plain bad luck would catch them up eventually. — Stephen
It’s OK. I’m used to it. Disbelief is rampant.
It’s one thing to avoid stupid beliefs. I’m all for that. But it quite another thing to close your eyes to the realities in front of you. There are secret groups. There are conspiracies. At some point, even Stephen will have to believe. — Glenn
On the other hand, there’s a theory that the government isn’t really as incompetent as we think; that, rather, we’re being led to believe the government’s incompetent so that we don’t recognize it when they deliberately allow things to happen. — Glenn
On a personal note, various things today have given my skepticism pause: What Flyss saw at the factory site. That latest hidden message. And even (though it makes no rational sense that I should be affected by it*) Glenn’s anagram post.
I’ve always found conspiracy theories laughable. But if you read immortal people into the stories, they no longer seem so ridiculous at all. – Stephen
*It makes no rational sense because there are literally dozens of intelligible anagrams of “Trilateral Commission.” Nonetheless …
So what you’re saying is that maybe the insane conspiracy theorists who bilge on and on about how the satanic Jewish Illuminati are trying to establish a totalitarian world state by sacrificing humans at the Bohemian Grove, duping the world with feminism and electing the fascist/ubercapitalist/communist non-American Obama may be onto something?
Diamonds sludged in the vomit? Truth cysts in the open sewer? — Flyss
But, as you say, I think she did mean that even the more horrific conspiracy theorists like Henry Makow (of Cruel Hoax: Feminism and the New World Order fame) may be onto something. Not in the details. To sell books, they provoke every strand of Know-Nothing, lowest-common-denominator fear, hatred, racism, mindless conservativism, debased Christianity, etc. that serves the purpose. And not in their logic either: That type of book is a feat of nonstop rhetorical fallacy.
But, still, behind all the vicious ignorance, there’s seems to be something. It’s not Jews, Feminists, the Federal Reserve or the specific people (like Winston Churchill!) they identify as Illuminati. Instead, as seems to be growing evident to all of us, that something could be a society of Immortals.
I can imagine there are young (new) Immortals who just live it up, like The Aussie. But I can also imagine others who are far older and much more dangerous. They would certainly have the motive to control the world. And they could very well have accumulated the ability.
I would think the man I saw at Antietam could be one of those. Not only him, but the woman too. The reference to “blue&black” in the message, and her costume, are awfully reminiscent of a secret society. What if they are the true Illuminati? — Glenn
Glenn: What’s something like this doing out in the middle of nowhere in Oklahoma? What the heck am I even looking at? This isn’t just Protocols of the Elders of the Kennedy Clan, it’s UFO-level, mind-control-radiation X-files
The BH just traveled three hundred miles to park for an hour here and do God only knows what. (I’m putting the detective work details on God because, yes, I was good and waited till hours after the BH left before I parked here too.)
I’ve played Helicopter Sims so I know all about flying ‘copters. Tomorrow, I’ll take your credit card to Hertz rent-a-helicopter and hire a black one, so I can flop onto their roof and demand to see their Mothership.
I wish you left your house occasionally, Glenneus Maximus, so you could come out here and tell me what the frack this fracking place is. –Flyss
P.S. Yes, I’m creeped out.
Still waiting for Glenn. (He missed his first flight.)
The problem for him is that he’s studied too much conspiracy stuff. He’s an encyclopedia on it. He can talk all night about the evidence that someone is controlling things. He doesn’t believe it’s the usual suspects (Jews, Satan’s minions, UFOs.) He also doesn’t think these Illuminati (for lack of a better word) control everything — just some things. But he has plenty of proof showing that they control a lot of things. And that they’re vicious.
Since he’s been writing about this stuff for years, it’s pretty sensible for him to worry that they might have it in for him. If he doesn’t show up, I won’t get my feelings hurt. — Flyss
P.S. Only, he shouldn’t say he’s coming when he’s not.
As I mentioned, underground tunnels are a staple of conspiracy literature. Examples include a whole genre of underground tunnel theories involving Denver International Airport. See, for example, this thread on abovetopsecret and this youtube video. But it’s never made sense to me that the government (or anyone else) would build underground in such a public spot as an airport. True, DIA is next to Rocky Mountain Arsenal, which would seem to make it convenient for the government, but the arsenal happens to be a Superfund site, and it’s under much too much scrutiny for secret construction.
If one wished to create underground passages, wouldn’t one at least put the entrances in out of the way spots? And placing them near interstates only makes sense, like ports on a river. So, what better place to choose than a complicated overpass/underpass complex in the middle of nowhere? In fact, it seems to me I’ve run across quite a few overpasses that seem more convoluted than necessary. I wouldn’t be surprised if one or more are “haunted,” so to speak, by more than meets the eye. – Glenn
[NOTE: In a comment to this post, a leading spiritual figure in the "hollow earth" tradition suggests an alternative interpretation.]
On another note, I tracked down some interesting information about that abandoned parking garage where the ambulance was exchanged for a Mercedes SUV. The reason it’s abandoned is that it was built for an office building that never came into being. The office building had been approved by the county, ownership submitted by a company whose owner’s owner’s owner has a subsidiary whose subsidiary’s subsidiary built the freeway overpass with the tunnel beneath. I’d say we have evidence of conspiracy here! But no direct lead to any immortals. Still, I’ll be investigating the interlocking companies further. — Stephen
Amazing information in your last eight posts, Flyss! It boggles the mind to think what infrastructure they have to be able to field so many agents in public, and not be observed. They must have fingers into every level of government, from the city on up, as well as controlling the media and probably the street gangs too.
I notice in a comment where you say you think this “Yahahnna” knows about our blog. I also assume that’s what she means by “your world that is not in the world.” Probably, she has access to the NSA, and all those levels of government.
On another note, have you followed the thread that leads to Japan? Inspired by our reader Merlin, I found numerous examples of Japanese gongs online that look much like our symbol, such as this one:
The difference here, though, is that this gong, like all others I’ve found, is held from above only, whereas in the symbol it’s held from the side as well:
If we could find a gong of this design, we might be well on our way to picking up a new trail. I wonder if you’d consider going to Izumo to see if you find any examples there. – Glenn
P.S. Or, if any readers are near Izumo, and can look for a gong that matches our “illuminati symbol,” that would be tremendously helpful.
It doesn’t have to be either/or, does it? It turns out that Homeland Security closed the airspace over that city Flyss and Strattera were in when “the Eldest” came out from hiding and spoke to them. It shows her greatness, as Flyss perceived so powerfully as a direct impression, but also that Glenn is right when he thinks about influence at the highest level of government.
Both would appear to be true. And equally stunning. — Stephen
However, having verified the existence of an underground tunnel here by sending a camera down its ventilation shaft, we’re unclear on where to go next. It is certainly unsettling to think that there may be underground passages beneath any number of unassuming rural farmhouses. How would anyone know? It’s enough to turn one into a conspiracy theorist. But there don’t seem to be any other clues here, and we’re at a loss.
Glenn has comments to make here, and so I’m turning over the floor to him. — Strattera
As Strattera no doubt knows, the idea that the world is riddled with underground tunnels is a staple of conspiracy theories. (See, for example, this site, or this one.) And it’s important to remember that not only was there an underground passage, Flyss’s observations together with evidence compiled by Stephen suggests that there was an underground dwelling stocked with provisions on the spot, and an aged man living there. Underground dwellings are another such staple. My conspiracy theory leanings are, for good or ill, becoming stronger with each revelation in this case.
Kate has convincingly hypothesized that the man was a Hafeem, as it is difficult to imagine any other reason why someone of his apparent age would live in such a way.
But that begs the question on why the Bounty Hunter kidnapped him. Furthermore, given the apparent connections between the BH and Laughing One, one naturally wants to ask the latter for an explanation.
But I suspect that the actual reason he sent Flyss back to the farmhouse is that he wants us to deduce the answer to that. — Glenn
[Addendum: In the comments section to this post, Laughing One seems to be stating: "Bingo!"]
So, there’s a company that runs an installation with gigantic radio dishes and that also guards a set of ventilation cones that might very well aerate the entrance to an entire underground world. But what company is it?
There’s no sign out on the lawn. There’s no name on the dishes. In fact, there’s no name anywhere in sight. But, as it happens, Strattera used to work security on similar looking communication dishes used by the military in Iraq. A quick call to one of her buddies gave us the name of the outfit that operated that equipment: Geo Eye. We passed on the name to Stephen, who used his forensic accounting mojo and found that the small company that pays city taxes on the property is owned by company that’s owned by a company that’s owned by Geo Eye.
Here’s their logo. You may have seen it:
According to Wikipedia, Geo Eye is “the world’s largest space imaging company.” If our Immortals own that, I’m thoroughly creeped out.
But it gets worse. Just next door, there’s this funeral and mortuary home.
How convenient if one were ever to need to dispose of bodies for some reason!
And just past the mortuary there’s this branch of an innocent little company that’s only trying to rule the world (and that gets its Google Earth images from Geo Eye):
I’ll admit, this has me nervous. If the Immortals have infiltrated Google, what chance do any of us have? — Flyss
It will be another day or so before the photograph is arranged to verify Oxadrenal’s claim that he is a Hafeem. In the mean time, we are holding back a certain crucial fact about Flyss’ observations of the ventilation cones and dishes in the area Oxadrenals sent her to explore.
However, we do feel that at this time it is appropriate to reveal the true location of those cones and dishes. They are in Denver, Colorado. (If you have following this blog closely, you will note that up until now we have intimated that they are in Oklahoma. However, you will have also noted that we use a certain amount of geographic and other deception. Note further that not all our supposed “Oklahoma” sites are in Denver, nor in Colorado. They range over a several state area.)
Denver is of particular interest for those of us interested in classical conspiracy theory thinking, as good evidence indicates that Denver and its environs embody numerous large secret installations, some above ground and some buried deep below. The Strategic Air Command base dug far below Cheyenne Mountain is not a secret at all. More controversial is the existence of vast underground caverns at the former Rocky Mountain Arsenal, currently the site of Denver International Airport. The theories about underground worlds at DIA range from the modest to the absurd, with every stage between.
But there is no doubt that much more than meets the eye is going on in Denver. Over the last several months, Flyss has collected provocative photographs from many parts of the city and its surroundings, of objects, sightings and installations. We shall be displaying them from time to time, and discussing what they imply. This post is already overlong, and so I will simply close with one of her photos, an object sighted atop what appears to be otherwise an entirely innocuous building:
No one admits to knowing what it is. But we have heard these letters whispered privately: “HAARP.” — Glenn
Still waiting to complete the photograph check of Oxadrenal’s claim that he is a Hafeem, and we are also still holding back a certain crucial fact about Flyss’ observations of the ventilation cones and dishes in the area Oxadrenals sent her to explore. (The reason we’re holding it back is that it’s our leverage for causing him to allow us to verify his age.)
While we’re waiting, I’ve been discussing some hanging threads. In my last post, I revealed that some (though not all) of Flyss’ photographs were taken in Denver, and may bear some relation to the famous allegations of underground tunnels in Denver International Airport and its surroundings.
In that post, I showed a photograph of a peculiar object near DIA that may be related to the HAARP project. Here’s another view:
The significance of these installations near the dishes and cones will become clear when we reveal the fact we’re currently withholding. — Glenn
In response to the second set of “hall of mirrors” photos taken off Glenn’s USB stick, a reader responded, “The UN charter.” This initially seemed to make no sense at all. However, it turns out to be the key to this entire matter.
As it happens, the original UN charter was signed in San Francisco, at a building called the Veterans War Memorial. In the basement of that building there’s a cocktail lounge/bar. Remarkably, there are no photos of it on Google images or Flikr. But its existence is no secret to San Francisco residents, who know it as the bar beneath Herbst Theater. We sent photos of the mirrored room to a contact in San Francisco, and he confirmed that these are one and the same place.
To repeat: the mirrored room is in the basement of the building where the UN charter was signed, currently the San Francisco War Memorial and Performing Arts Center.
(continued in my next post) — Stephen
Personally, I’ve never believed that the UN is part of any global Illuminati conspiracy. But it is Glenn’s beliefs that are relevant here, and, although Glenn has repudiated certain elements of traditional conspiracy analysis he nonetheless accepts a great proportion of that body of thought. It would no doubt be of interest to him that on the ground floor of the same building there’s a large mural of the UN Charter signing ceremony, and one of the people in that mural is Eleanor Roosevelt. It cannot be denied that the Roosevelts are widely considered by conspiracy theorists to have been Illuminati, or at least associated with them. Finally, it should be mentioned that the building itself looks remarkably like a grand Masonic Lodge.
One last point: As you may recall, Glenn had been working on a theory regarding a Japanese origin for one of the secret societies of Immortals. As it happens, the peace treaty between Japan and the US, the so called “San Francisco Treaty,” was signed right there in the very same building. That’s enough to give a bit of a shiver even to a crusty old skeptic like me. What it would do to Glenn I can only imagine. He could only have seen the San Francisco War Memorial building as an Illuminati focal point.
Keep in mind that Glenn is a man who almost never leaves home. Yet, he undoubtedly did so last week. That itself says volumes about the temptation he was under. (Continued in my next post)
GLENN: IF YOU’RE READING THIS (AND WE HOPE YOU ARE) PLEASE DO NOT GO NEAR THAT BUILDING!
To continue: It appears that Glenn may have been lured out by means of two temptations presented simultaneously
Flyss had alread suggested that someone deliberately deceived Glenn by posing as a disciple of the life extension authority Dr. Aubrey de Grey, and claiming to offer stem cell treatment for his diabetes. This in itself would have been a serious temptation for someone in Glenn’s position and state of health. Not only was he facing a real possibility of death from his perennially out-of-control condition, his blood sugar levels seem to have been sufficiently high at the moment so as to potentially cloud his judgment.
But there was a second temptation offered to him as well. It appears that he was provided with information about a previously unrecognized Illuminati focal point and possible link to Japan in the very same city where he hoped to receive life saving treatment.
For a person like Glenn, the possibility of entering further into the solution of the mystery that has entangled his mind for decades might serve as an even greater motivation than the desire to live. Whether that is or is not the case, the combination of the two possibilities could plausibly have proved a temptation too great for any person to resist.
GLENN: IF YOU’RE READING THIS (AND WE DESPERATELY HOPE YOU ARE) DO NOT GO NEAR THAT BUILDING. IT IS ALMOST CERTAINLY A TRAP.