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We have discovered that one group of True Immortals calls itself The Illuminati, and may in fact represent the true figures behind the fabled Illuminati conspiracy. Two of the leaders of this group are Alexandros and Soraya. They have recently moved to new headquarters in Santa Clara County. Is it a coincidence that this is the home of the SENS foundation, Genentech and Apple, as well as near to the home of the rising world power known as Google?
[Post-hoc note: After the release of the Immortality Plague, they fled Santa Clara, and their current location is unknown.]
First, I never said anything about Immortals living here. That must have been on your own brain. All I know is that (a) The BH, who is known to be chasing an Immortal, visited the dish the day after he visited a chemical factory that by coincidence had just been featured online with a secret message from Antipollus hidden inside. (b) This is the same Antipollus who has something to do with the non-mortal person Glenn saw at Antietam way back when. (c) It’s a weird place, and so’s the factory. (c) What are they doing way out in the middle of nowhere, and with armed guards? (I forgot to mention, the dish has guards too.)
Second, the dish isn’t on Google Earth. If you plug in its GPS location, you see a whole lot of dirt and bushes.
Third, the neighbors don’t know about it either, because there aren’t any neighbors. It’s really out in deepest nowhere, and the roads to get here aren’t marked. (I had a map courtesy of the GPS tracker I stuck in the BH’s car.)
I’m not so much thinking Immortal hideouts as secret government installations. But why is someone chasing an Immortal taking side trips to visit secret government installations? — Flyss
Health care reform just passed. The conspiracy theory world sees this as a stage on the way to the New World Order. Does our new understanding that the Illuminati are Immortals help us understand this event better? How does health care reform serve their ends? – Glenn
Why assume that health care reform serves their ends? Maybe they fought against it, and lost.
Even granting they’re powerful, it doesn’t follow that they’re all-powerful. –Stephen
Why do I think they must have intended it? Because, with unlimited wealth and time, it seems only likely that influence would grow exponentially. Bear with me on this while I explain what I have in mind.
On the obvious level, there would be time and resources to increase one’s penetration and control of all instruments of social power. Imagine the very same Immortal exercising powers of persuasion on not on the parents, but the children and grandchildren in all important political and aristocratic families.
Beyond that, the steadily growing understanding of human nature would allow such Immortal Illuminati to manipulate circumstances in such a way that entire classes of people would possess shared self-interested motivations, and thus could be counted upon to seek the desired goals without any external manipulation.
After all, this is how ordinary politicians work. To give an example from the Democratic party, when health care reform creates a class of people beholden to the government for health care, those people can be reliably counted on to maintain the power of the government so as to maintain their health care coverage. Or, when Republican administrations foster an ideology that is conducive to increased military spending, future military contractors, military families and the military establishment itself will naturally vote Republican.
And that’s looking only one move ahead. A truly sophisticated manipulator of populaces might bait group A to take a position against group B so as to split Group A from Group B; an even more sophisticated one might give power to Group A while subtly leading it to overreach itself, in order to create a subsequent backlash. History tells us of great political leaders who have done all this and more. Think of the even greater capacities of a person who has lived a thousand years — Glenn
I’m not convinced it would work that way. You mention the capacity to manipulate possessed by other great leaders/politicians of history. But such great manipulators are selected by Darwinian forces out of vast populations. Maybe only one person in a million is a Franklin Delano Roosevelt; only one in a hundred million is a Napoleon.
On the other hand, there are likely only a handful of people who don’t age. The laws of statistics suggest that they are otherwise mediocre people. This has always been a problem faced by ruling elites. One simply can’t count on a brilliant monarch having brilliant offspring. For every Queen Elizabeth there’s a King George, dull-witted, unimaginative, incompetent, ultimately fatal to the needs of his own class. Even with all his inherited advantages of wealth, education, connections and prestige, he was unable to control the upstarts overseas. — Stephen
Perhaps they wanted to lose the Colonies. (That was a joke.)
I still think immense time and wealth would make up for limitations in talent.– Glenn
I don’t know … it seems to me that you’re giving yourself enough wiggle room to arrive at almost any interpretation. – Stephen
A little history before I get to the blockbuster of Flyss’s post.
Just over a year ago, I saw two people meet on Antietam National Battlefield. One of them I recognized from photos in the crowd at the Kennedy assassination. In the intervening 45 years, he hadn’t aged at all. That was our first discovery, the one that got this all started.
But I didn’t get a photograph of them. In order to get evidence that would hold up, Flyss and I undertook a long search, described in the fixed page titled the “First Proof.” Eventually, we found incontrovertible proof of a another person who doesn’t age. We followed his trail from 1963 to 1995, with photos enough to prove matters even to a skeptic like Stephen. But then we lost track of him again.
Kate, however, hypothesized that there might be other people tracking him. Sure enough, we discovered that a former CIA agent we’ve nicknamed the Bounty Hunter was on his trail. It proved much easier to track him than track the Aussie himself.
The BH led Flyss on an interesting chase. I won’t recount all the details here, except to mention that he apparently kidnapped an old man who was living underground way out in the country. This led us to the notion of Hafeems (people who age, just very slowly), but lost us our GPS tracker in the BH’s car.
The BH, however, had placed a GPS tracker in someone else’s car. Flyss managed to discover that car, and plant her own tracker, which led her to another, very different underground tunnel. Quite sensibly, she didn’t stick around to study the place. But she inserted a remote camera. And, a few days later, it transmitted this photo of two people meeting near the mouth of the tunnel (and quite out in the middle of nowhere.)
It’s the same two people I saw at Antietam, after I read a message written by Antipollus and addressed to ” 3rd of the blue&black.“ One, at least, has to be at least in his seventies, considering his age back at the Kennedy assassination. But he looks like a young man of 25. The woman on both occasions wore a black dress with blue trim. — Glenn
The Laughing One” is obviously no friend of Antipollus, considering the message he left in that third photo. Just as certainly, “The Servant” works for the blue&blacks, and is accepted as a messenger at those various facilities in the “off the map” area. However, the Bounty Hunter put a GPS tracker in The Servant’s car. Considering the first photo message, the blue&blacks follow the instructions of Antipollus. [Editor's note: We now know that they are actually servants of Soraya, and that Soraya works closely with Antipollus/Alexandros.] Hence, it is reasonable to guess that the Bounty Hunter is a servant of Laughing One, and that there is antagonism between the Laughing One/BH and Antipollus/Blue&black/Servant axis.
As far as a possible migration goes, I’m looking for direct evidence of that. Of course, part of the value of being off the map would have been to allow such a migration to occur in secret. Where would they have gone? — Glenn
More technically, he (or she) is someone with access to all the information Laughing One has sent us. But, since we know him in no other way than via that information, it amounts to the same thing. The implications are far reaching, and include the very real risk that Antipollus (not his real name) and others will also contact us. We have recently increased our security, and are believe that we are not traceable, but if so we wish to reiterate: We have no intention of exposing personally identifiable information about any of you. – Stephen
[Addendum for our readers: A full recap of what we know about the person we call Laughing One can be found here.]
“But we shall not post them there. We refrain on purpose, to show our respect for their secrets, to bury in this blog a message that they can read when at last they do discover us: We shall not expose anything about you. Google may be a threat to you, but we are not.”
Not that I’m so big and bad. More Little Red Riding Hood, myself. But those guys hate me. And when they discover this blog, seeing my mug on it isn’t going to make them happy. — Ox
Basically, high minded as we try to be, Hafeems and True Immortals bump each other on the chins. Not one-on-one. It’s happened a lot that a young True Immortal gets mentored by a Hafeem. But once True Immortals get pretty old they usually find us irritating pretenders; and we don’t like them much either because they never get wrinkles or nose hairs.
Not to be so flip, I’m in favor of physical immortality for all, they’re not and hence the problem. I’m doing some things to to get there the SENS foundation never dreamed of, and the upshot is that I’m racing toward a head on collision with the Trueimms (God, they’d hate to be -called that, but a reader suggested it and I approve) when they step athwart my plans. This fall or winter at the latest the showdown starts.
Now, about a delicate subject: The Eldest, (blessed She) has not taken sides. To use her own words, she chooses to “hold the powers equal and let chance decide.” The one power is my group, the other power is Antipollus and his True Immortal Illuminati (with Sollaya and the Blue&blacks and bunches of others.) Truth be told, Antipollus is a hell of a lot stronger than me. (Smarter too, richer, wiser, cleverer, more perceptive … but I’m twice as handsome.) If he stepped in with all his might I’d be boot polish.
But the Eldest (blessed She) is stronger than either of us, and she’s holding us apart. In the mean time, we’re getting closer and close, and the pressure is building, and if she decides to stop maintaining the peace we will snap-to at war, with the hounds of hell baying and sniffing each other’s butts, and the cats of hell massing into vast cat herds, and also lots of shouting. And killing, and guns and nasty comments so hurtful they can never be taken back. Or worse. — Oxadrenals
Continuing where Flyss left off.
Here’s my attempt at an analysis.
As we’ve noted in various posts, there has recently been a consolidation of True Immortal force in Santa Clara County, California. Some of these Trueimms have decamped from complex installations in the Midwest (including the tunnels shown in that link and these previously off-the-map “factories”) while others merely abandoned nearby garrisons in San Francisco, at the Veteran’s War Memorial.* The two known leaders of these True Immortals are the individuals we are calling Antipollus and Sollaya.
The county of Santa Cruz abuts Santa Clara County in deep redwood forest along the ridge of the Santa Cruz mountains. This area appears to be more closely associated with a group of Hafeems allied with Oxadrenals.
The two groups appear to be in conflict. The True Immortals are more powerful, but another individual, yet more powerful still, is enforcing an armed peace. This is Yahahnna, called The Eldest.
A particular True Immortal,** “The Aussie,” owns property in Santa Cruz, via one of his ghost children. He does not seem to be allied with others of his kind. His property, however, links to an isolated rock on an isolated beach, and that rock contains a peculiar variation of the famous Illuminati eye and triangle.
Oxadrenals has told us the he hopes to soon find the current location of The Aussie. He also speaks of an event he calls The Big Show, due to occur in the fall of 2010 or the winter of 2011. This event is expected somehow to further the cause of physical immortality for Hafeems and mortals, and is also linked to the enmity between the groups.
The details, however, are obscured by the fog of future events. I believe that in order to unravel them, it may help begin analyzing some symbols. (Continued in my next post) — Straterra
* They may still have a certain brooding presence in San Francisco.
**He could be a Hafeem. But Oxadrenals informs us that he is aging too slowly for that.
Continued from my last post
(10) Now that the project has reached its climax, the extensive caution we have thus far employed may be relaxed in one of its elements.
(11) We have been calling Oxadrenals great antagonist “Antipollus.” But his true name is Alexandros.*
(12) NOTE: Though Oxadrenals is in conflict with Alexandros, this does not mean that Alexandros is evil. Oxadrenals himself does not regard him as such. There are many sides to this matter. It is a classic conflict of competing goods. Oxadrenals has taken a position, but he respects that of his antagonist.
(13) But Alexandros is implacably opposed to physical immortality for mortals.
(14) Thus the stakes in this final crisis are very high.
(15) There may be a battle.
(16) Oxadrenals himself is not sure he will survive. — Stephen
*Oxadrenals” is an anagram of “Alexandros.” This is another example of the remarkable gifts at word play possessed by our esteemed Hafeem colleague. For not only does it directly mock Alexandros, it is also a pun: The adrenals of oxen are used in Taoist medicine to lengthen life.
Thank you for being so understanding, Flyss! I knew you would.
About physical immortality: It may be really happening. But we’re not there yet. There’s some kind of battle going on between Oxadrenals and Alexandros, with The Eldest playing a role as well. As I understand it, events are coming to a crisis at one or more large underground installations. It could turn out well, but it could turn out very badly. I don’t think anyone can know how it’s going to turn out. But we are really, truly, on the cusp.
Look for a series of important announcements soon. – Kate
We post this with respect, but with urgency.
As our readers know, Oxadrenals’ and his group are attempting to offer the gift of physical immortality to the world; however, the Immortal Illuminati are (in good faith, and with good intentions) attempting to stop him from doing so. The current moment is therefore one of crisis.
We have already mentioned that a series of narratives about this conflict are about to go online. What we wish to add now is that these narratives will appear online automatically. Stephen has arranged the process. In his opinion, not even the NSA can stop them appearing.
These narratives are written from the perspective of various people involved in the drama. They begin in December of last year, and continue on up to the present. But the present is at a tipping point. We don’t know whether Oxadrenals’ project will be allowed to reach completion, or whether it will be suppressed by Alexandros; whether the world shall receive physical immortality, or it shall not. The final post has not been written.
If Oxadrenals succeeds, these narratives will represent a celebration and chronicle of this great moment in human history. If, however, Alexandros successfully suppresses Oxadrenals, the posts will still appear: and they will tell the whole human world who has deprived them of eternal life.
This is not a threat! We certainly don’t have the temerity to threat such a being as Alexandros. All we want to do is this: Alter the facts on the ground to influence your thoughtful decision making.
Within hours, we will announce the URL of the first installments. — Kate and Stephen
POSTSCRIPT: URL Announced here.
I agree with the comments of some readers: The early part of this narrative seems remote from the current conflict between the Immortal Illuminati and the Hafeem physical immortality project. But I’ve now been allowed to read to the end of “The Immortal Blair,” and I will say that the connection will eventually become obvious.
As for why we are doling out the parts of the story so slowly: as mentioned earlier, the plan is to influence Alexandros but not to threaten him.
Readers who are impatient with the slow release of The Immortal Blair might consider reading the previously posted narrative titled The Hafeem Saul. It is intended as section 2 in the entire sequence, but as its events occurred 35 years in the past, the order of reading is not crucial. Keep in mind, however, that its writing style is altogether different.
I have been informed that section 3, The Mortal, will be in yet another style altogether: First person present tense written from the perspective of Janice. Oxadrenals told us that Janice herself wrote that section, and in his opinion she is a far better writer than himself or his “scribes.” However, I have not yet seen the material.
I’ve been following in Blair’s footsteps, partly to verify if the story is true, and partly just to get a feel for our lonely immortal. Also I feel that I’m the first pilgrim to visit what will be pilgrimage sites of the future.
As you’ll already have noticed if you’ve been reading along with The Immortal Blair, our guy has a tendency to paint his world in saturated colors. Here’s the apartment he had been living in when Menniss found him.
Fairly florid digs, wouldnt you say?
His neighbors didn’t have a lot to say about him, except that he was drop-dead gorgeous.
Here’s the Denny’s he arrived at in Kansas City. I found the waitress he flirted with there. She remembered him all right, even though it was almost a year ago! And she verified that he ran out of there chased by a big guy.
If the Immortality Project succeeds, these places will become pilgrimage sites. On the other hand, if the Immortal Illuminati suppress the project, these places will become pilgrimage sites anyway. Alexandros will have to have them razed to the ground and put up razor wire to stop people coming to visit what might have been. –Flyss
P.S. I notice that we’re back in the darkness again.
Remember when Flyss met The Eldest? One of the things Flyss heard her say is, ”I hold the powers equal and let chance decide.”
I have no idea everything she meant when she said it. But one thing I know she meant, because she told me so, is that she’s protecting The Immortality Project from Alexandros and Soraya with their blue&black militia and their red&white military police. That’s the only reason why the Immortal Illuminati haven’t shut us down. They have an army of suited up knife-throwing fire-eating lovelies ready to move in and protect us from ourselves, but the Eldest is holding the powers equal.
For now. Remember the part about “letting chance decide?” She means it. Any moment, if she wants, she can take back her protection.
As for defending our own selves from Alexandros and company: Well, don’t think see. It’s taking a lot of holding to make the powers equal.
On the one hand, they got armies.
Squaring off against them, we got nearsighted Joe on watch in the Crows Nest, a troupe of butt naked shock troops with their underarmor between their ankles, a set of bright new pennies in all the fuse boxes, and a brigade’s worth of smoke alarms unplugged.
That’ll show ‘em! — Oxadrenals
I had a visit today from a representative of the Immortal Illuminati. To tell you the truth, I was surprised by just how pleasant the experience was.
Based on Oxadrenals many descriptions, I had envisioned them as cold, hard and ruthless, a cold-hearted embodiment of the concept of “the ends justify the means.”
They may be all those things, but the visit itself was extremely pleasant. True, the middle-aged woman who knocked at my door and introduced herself as “a servant of the Immortal Soraya” possessed a detailed dossier on my life. But the Hafeem (as she proved to be) was sophisticated, intelligent and thoroughly charming. Once again I learn that there are more sides to every question than one might at first think.
Our conversations were wide-ranging. She had, among other things,read every word of our site, and was generous in her praise. The Immortal Illuminati, it would appear, have no intention of harming us, nor of shutting down TrueImmortals.
We are each being visited in person today. And, in the near future, we shall receive contributions to our site written by Soraya (though, as I understand, via an amanuensis.) — Kate
Someone visited me too. Unlike Kate, I wasn’t entirely charmed. But I _am_ interested.
They’ve offered to bring me and Strattera on a tour of their current home in Santa Clara. But, as I say, I’m not fully charmed. And, out of stubborn pride, I refuse to let them derail my reading of this narrative. So, please pardon me as I leave that no doubt interesting subject aside, and continue to talk about what I’m reading!
Bubbled up safe in the new BMW, drove on a long black highway west. The sky was clear, but high mountains in the distance wore their own private clouds. Yellow signs every couple of miles said, ‘Watch for eagles on the road.’ I’d never traveled west of Colorado before.
In installment 6 of The Mortal Janice, they drive down Highway 50 toward Ely, Nevada. As they go drive, we learn a lot about Blair’s history, including what happened when he first noticed that he wasn’t aging, how he came to believe that he’d unconsciously sold his soul to the devil, and how Saul rescued him and became his mentor. Also, we discover the origin of the vampire-in-the-coffin legend. (Yeah, Janice herself is skeptical about that last part.) There’s a lot more in it too, but overall it’s a respite from the intensity just before.
Some of this installment will mean a lot more to people who’ve read rather than skipped Narrative 2, The Hafeem Saul. I really recommend reading that, by the way. It’s much slower, but once you adapt it’s wonderful. — Flyss
P.S. Yes, I’m in shock at being visited by a rep from the Immortal Illuminati. But I refuse to give them the satisfaction of showing it. Yet.
My visitor, too, was amiable, his company charming, and his presence comforting. The concerns — the terror — of the Immortal Illuminati I’ve felt in the past seem blurred, less important.
In other words, this is blatant manipulation. I have stated before, and I shall state it again: I have set a process in motion that will publish all of Oxadrenals’ story, no matter what happens to me. I do not have the power to pull it back. All will come out! — Stephen
Continued from my last post.
I’d mentioned how Zeke’s behavior, while amusing, also had a dark, violent edge. But Zeke is obviously meant to be the same person as Howard of Narrative 2 –The Hafeem Saul. And in that narrative, Howard admits to being identical to Alexi, the man who came close to mugging Saul in Moscow in installment 3 of that narrative.
In other words, Howard/Alexi/Zeke have a distinctly weird and frightening side. But think about his:
Description of Oxadrenals: “He wore a theatrical handlebar mustache and a goatee…” (from our sighting of him.)
And, of course, there are other connections, obvious to those who have been reading the narrative.
If Howard = Alexi = Zeke also equals Oxadrenals, and we know that Alexi and Zeke have a real dark side, then maybe our friend Ox isn’t quite so cuddly and innocent as we’ve all been thinking. And, if so, than what if his “arch-enemies” the Immortal Illuminati aren’t so dark as he’s led us to believe?
It’s worth thinking about, anyway. — Flyss
(For new readers: All of the narratives cited here are accessible, and arranged chronologically, here.)
I agree there are some concerning aspects of Oxadrenals behavior, especially regarding the use of a man like Richard Menniss, but I think it is only right to wait until he has a chance to respond. Currently, he is embattled below ground, while the group he warned us against whispers in our ears. He had predicted that the Immortal Illuminati would hold it against us that we’d befriended him, but it seems their approach is more subtle: they are trying to turn us against, or perhaps even use us against him. I hold that we should not let them. — Stephen
I don’t agree that Janice is in an entirely destructive mood. She feels tempted that way, certainly, but she’s fighting it bravely.
The night before, she felt erased by Blair’s insensitive recitation of three centuries full of romances, but she successfully resisted harming herself as she might have done in the past. (Her description of going to sleep in that state is poignant.) And the next morning, though she takes a foolish risk, I don’t think in her mind it amounts to suicide. Rather, she sees it as bravely marching forth to face her demons. Janice is on a healing path, even if it looks likely to be a long one. — Kate
To begin, I must congratulate the authors of this “blog” on their investigations. They (and I must credit the sadly deceased Glenn especially) have discovered much that we had thought not discoverable. And yet, they have not flagrantly broached their discoveries, but have chastely and judiciously hidden that which would create for ourselves risk and threaten harm. This shows wisdom and prudence. Only of late have they strayed from this path, having set in motion a process that may reveal certain facts we do not wish revealed. Yet they did this for a reason we can profoundly understand: They wish immortality, and fear that we shall act to withhold it from them.
Alas, we feel that we cannot allay this fear, for it is true that we wish to prevent humanity at large from speedily becoming immortal. Slowly, yes, in gradual advancement of span of life, with time to learn and modify the habits of mortal life to fit the contours of the infinite. But not in one great leap, pray God. Months ago, the young Flyss herself foresaw the disaster, using these vivid words:
If people don’t die, earth’s population goes through the roof. If you live forever, even a one-child policy like China has leads to crazy overpopulation. So what are we going to do, talk the whole world into not having kids? Never going to happen. Will we just run out of resources so that everyone starves? Not going to happen either. The super rich and the super connected are going to get immortality first. And then they’re going to take control and make sure they and their family and their friends have whatever they need.
The brilliantly analytical mind of Stephen further explored the issue utilizing the new mathematical science known as “game theory,” and arrived at conclusions that we, with our long if unformalized experience of such matters, fully endorse. His thoughts are too richly detailed for me to quote, and I suggest following the linked thread of his analysis both forward and backwards from the point of access just provided. I would summarize what he says in brief as the risk of pre-emption by the more powerful newly immortal on behalf of themselves against the world.
Preemptive war is not, as some would think, a new invention. In my childhood, during the age you identify with the metal bronze, those rulers of cities who did not strike their neighbors early were struck by them an destroyed. Thus began the terrible, endless cycle of wars. The current text War in Human Civilization by Azar Gat (brought to my attention by Stephen) brilliantly exposits these patterns.
However, Stephen makes one error in his analysis: He supposes that we ourselves are at war with humanity, to preserve our own privilege. This I would deny. We have lived long enough to no longer value ourselves for our own sake, but have abstracted that sense of self-valuation onto the entire human world. We wish only good for the world; all that we do aims for that end; and though we are certainly capable of error, we have great wealth in experience. We think with all the profundity we are capable of before we act, and when we do intervene, we do so steeped in care and planning.
This is in contrast to the heartful, impulsive, well-intentioned but terribly, terribly unwise actions of the “incandescent” Oxadrenals. He is a man of great vitality and humor, but not, alas, one who has the temperament for making great decisions wisely.
Thus, we do indeed wish to suppress his Immortality Project, not for our own good but for the good of all. We agree, however, with several of your readers, that this is unlikely. There are many obstacles. But science has overcome so many obstacles, and produced so many unlikely results, that we must take precautions. And so we have. We are confident that if this disastrous project reaches the brink of success, The Eldest will remove her staying hand and allow us to save humanity from the great horror of universally available immortality.
There is more to say, but I have stretched the medium already. We understand that if the current series of narratives is allowed to be posted without interference, the automatic publication of more damaging narratives will not occur (via an intricate mechanism designed by Stephen, whose capacities in this regard we entirely respect.) Therefore, we shall not interfere. We ask only to see the entire text of each narrative before it is posted, so we can take protective actions if needed.
Thank you all, again, for permitting me this post. I shall answer questions if they are raised respectfully and with serious intent. – Soraya, ruler of the Blue&Blacks, co-originator, with Alexandros, of the Immortal Illuminati.
Readers had proposed various middle ways between mortality for almost all (the status quo) and immortality for almost all (the most radical alternative.) We concur.
We do understand and recognize that “indefinite life extension” will in time come to all the world. But, as we have discussed with certain members of the SENS foundation, it shall most naturally arrive gradually and in stages: the prevention or cure of this illness or that, the slowing of deterioration in the brain, the skin, the heart; a continued development, in other words, of the progress medicine has already made. We support such work. Such gradual development is most ideal.
As a second, less preferable, but nonetheless graduated path, we the elders might pick and choose worthy individuals to become fully immortal. The responsibility and burden of such choice would weigh heavy upon us, but we would bear that weight for the benefit of all.
In turn, such careworn deliberate limitation of immortality is vastly preferable to that which the project under discussion seeks to offer: wholesale immortality to all who wish it. For this would bring the terrors I have already mentioned.
Many have noted that this “immortality project” is unlikely to succeed. However, though our own first reaction is to agree, experience tells us not to underestimate “Oxadrenals.” For all his flaws, he is greatly gifted too. And, moreover, The Eldest has taken it upon herself to become involved, and to protect him. We sense this as an indication “luck” or “destiny” may be on Oxadrenals side, for it is chance/destiny/luck that The Eldest worships, and she may surely see that which we do not.
It was also noted by readers that there are other kinds of immortals than ourselves, and many arduous spiritual paths to immortality. This we too believe, and welcome as our brothers and sisters all immortalized through these paths. It is the mass effect we fear, not the elevation of the few and worthy. — Soraya, ruler of the Blue&Blacks, co-originator, with Alexandros, of the Immortal Illuminati.
Though it is a woman speaking
Soraya’s voice is “patriarchal.*” The Elders
with their wisdom choose for us.
Like all elders, they conserve the past.
Patterns must not change, or if they must
the rate of change held back.
The settled course of mortal death must keep its sway for now,
and for tomorrow,
and only after the day after the day after tomorrow
may it begin to loose.
Elders always hold back change, and
perhaps they are wise to do so.
Or perhaps they are simply old and conservative.
Perhaps, like all elites, they are self-serving.
I do not know.
As a “progressive” I hold opposite ideas at once:
No patriarchy should command my life
Yet we should respect the wisdom of the aged.
It may be moot: Oxadrenals project may fail
But against all odds, I see it succeed
And tragedy — the unavoidable choice between two rights — arise.** — Kate
*Properly, “matriarchal,” I know, but if there was a time that a matriarchy ruled the world, it was before written history. That they would have been as oppressive as any patriarchy should go without saying! But I have no historical memory of matriarchal oppression, only patriarchal, and therefore I use the word above, even though as “Observer” points out, it’s not quite right.
It was an odd sensation reading my own words in Soraya’s post. Is this flattery to persuade? Well, I’m flattered. I don’t know how persuaded. Partly. I no longer think of them as evil, anyway.
I mentioned earlier that they’ve invited Strattera and me to go visit their underground world.
I won’t be allowed to photograph much, though. Can I live with that? And Stephen’s afraid we’ll be held as hostages.
I don’t know. I’m thinking about it. Any opinions from readers? — Flyss
I suspect that one source of the confusion is that The Eldest was described as being Asian in appearance, and Soraya as having a connection with Japan. But there is no direct relationship between the two.
Soraya is the head of the Blue&blacks, and claims to be perhaps 8000 years old. The Eldest is much, much older; it is said that she dates back to the dawn of speech. That would be 50 – 100 thousand years ago. Soraya works closely with Alexandros. The Eldest is a power unto herself. — Stephen
I am not worthy to be considered in the same breath as that Great One! I am but a child beside her; incompetent, foolish, thoughtless and without power, lacking foresight or understanding, a breath, a vapor a trivial being of no substance or significance.
My profound apologies to Yahanna for having allowed any such misunderstanding to take place, even for an instant. – Soraya, ruler of the Blue&Blacks, co-originator, with Alexandros, of the Immortal Illuminati.
I,Soraya, respond here to questions posed by readers of this site.
C writes: “Your organization controls much of what is fed to the majority of humans emotionally and mentally speaking, so naturally there’s not much free will for them to think for themselves.” To this I answer: perhaps it would be better if we had such power. Perhaps the world would be a better place. Or, perhaps, our wisdom would fail, and we would cause more harm than we would cause good. But we have not that power. There are many gods in the world, and we are but one. There is the greatest god, that which the Eldest worships and serves: Chance, by others called God in contradistinction (but as we humans understand not the will of the creator, if there be one, nor experience as loving that which may be love divine and incomprehensible, there is no true difference in the namings.) There is the power of human governments, and of the rich and connected who run them. There is the frightening power of this new god called science, that changes all things, and called up into being at Alamogordo a terrible demon whose fire no being can survive. Science too it is that reads the letters of DNA, and may rewrite them. There is the god of culture, that, despite all attempts by other gods to control it, spirals on its own life. (To Kate I say, I have fought for 80 centuries to advance the position of women, and yet it was not my doing but that of brave mortal women who, via their suffering and will, moved the god to grant it.) There is now the new god Google, which we fear close to our fear of the nuclear demon. And many more. Yes, we have far seeing eyes and a strong fist, but we do not control all things. For example, we do not even know exactly where Oxadrenals’ underground lab is located (though we expect to discover that soon.)
C also asks “do you get bored of living life?” How can I? Humanity as a whole is a great, grand, willful, creative, unpredictable god; when young, with Alexandros at my side, I swore myself in that god’s service. Boredom, as one of your day might say, “is so not the problem.” :-) (Please excuse my attempt at current youthful idiom, if I have failed to grasp it properly.)
Merlin asks: “Can someone actually be born that many years before and still alive today and be young?” I say, yes, and no. In body I am young, and the Eldest just as young, despite the millennia of passage. A body is not a rock that crumbles but a renewing being. It need not end. That it does end is due to some god’s will, be it what you call Evolution, or the hand of a creature we know not of. That god sometimes applies not that will, and then there is no aging. A living thing could, why not, live longer than a star? (Though the Great God chance would surely end the being in time — I have known a woman eleven hundred centuries old to die when a great fire came and he could not hide.) But in mind I am not young; I am aged with my eight thousand years of burdened life.
Observer writes: “I wonder, were the Eldest here, what she would make of everyone considering themselves to be insignificant trifles compared to her?” I would not presume to guess what she thinks, but she does not act as if anything or anyone is insignificant. To sit at her feel is to feel for a moment as if no one but yourself exists in all the world, or has ever existed. And though for her all mortal lives pass in a moment’s time, she gives out her love freely to mortal beings, involves them in her actions, befriends, protects, helps and hurts them, loves with compassion or with lust, as friend, mother, sister, lover or executioner according to the promptings of her own soul. That she has given Janice a great role in the drama you are reading is in keeping with what I have seen her do all my life. And I who am one of the greatest powers of the world she may hold no more worthy than an infant she might meet, even an infant sick from conception whose birth is shortly its death. So it is I that regard myself as nothing next to her, not that she thinks so, nor that she judges by longevity, but that in her presence I feel as nothing.– Soraya, ruler of the Blue&Blacks, co-originator, with Alexandros, of the Immortal Illuminati.
SonataH writes: (in response to my welcome to other types of immortals) “Not all wish to be welcomed.” To which I respond: Our welcome requires no response. You are welcome to your utter privacy, your indifference, even your private hostility. We understand and accept. It is only in the face of actual threats against us that we would withdraw the welcome, and show another side of ourselves.
– Soraya, ruler of the Blue&Blacks, co-originator, with Alexandros, of the Immortal Illuminati.
To “Merlin,”who asks about the religious beliefs of the Immortals.
Religions are like fashions: they change so fast it’s impossible to keep up. (more…)
A priest of the Temple of the Clouds (whose great gong is shown above) saw in vision a path to save tens of millions of lives: He must kill Hideki Tojo, else Tojo attack America and start a terrible war.
Tojo had not yet been born.
The priest was Buddhist, a man devoted to compassion. He had vowed to serve all sentient beings. His visions were never wrong.
He vowed to kill Tojo.
On the same single night, the pregnant mother of Hideki saw in vision that a man would try to kill her infant son. She called upon a Buddhist priest to pray for her son. That man lived at the Temple of the Clouds. He was the brother of the first man.
That second priest saw in vision that if Tojo died, Japan would not attack America; that if Japan did not attack America, America would not defend the world from a greater evil; and that if America did not defend the world, hundreds of millions would die. His visions were never wrong.
He vowed to watch over the infant.
His brother came. He tried to save the child without harming his beloved brother, but he could not. He killed his brother, but Tojo lived.
SonataH writes “Both brothers were right, both believed that by performing a lesser evil, a greater evil would be stopped.” Thank you. Yet, when has one the true right to trust what one believes to be true? One is never certain. Yet, has one the true right to not act on what one believes to be true? Those who take any responsibility, be it small or be it great, must face these immortal issues. Those who take no responsibility are responsible for their inaction. There is no escaping this crucifixion. (more…)
I wish also to lodge here my protest at the kidnapping of the creators of this “blog” by Soraya and her servants. Though I am confident they have not inflicted bodily harm on our friends, the loss of liberty is a great harm in itself. Here, as elsewhere, the behavior of the Illuminati has not been such as to call forth sympathy, but rather disgust. That they are powerful is not in doubt, but wise? Right? Entitled to respect? I fear not. — Saul